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Oldsmar upset by payouts to Nielsen

By Theresa Blackwell, Times Staff Writer
In print: Wednesday, May 21, 2008


Oldsmar was happy to have Nielsen Media Research, now Nielsen Co., consolidate several operations in the city in 2003. Recent layoffs and the use of contract workers has altered feelings.
Oldsmar was happy to have Nielsen Media Research, now Nielsen Co., consolidate several operations in the city in 2003. Recent layoffs and the use of contract workers has altered feelings.
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OLDSMAR — This city has paid $554,000 of the $3.1-million the Nielsen Co. has received over the past six years to create new jobs in Pinellas.

But now — amid news that foreign contractors are reporting to work at Nielsen even as local residents are being laid off — some Oldsmar officials would like to close the city's checkbook.

"If there's a way to not pay them incentives because they are doing something wrong, we will certainly take that approach," Mayor Jim Ronecker says.

Nielsen says it has done nothing wrong and has followed every rule.

"Nielsen has been a major contributor to Oldsmar and the Tampa Bay area," bringing a $130-million facility and millions of payroll dollars to the area, said Karen Watson, Nielsen's chief communications officer.

A Pinellas County official agrees that Nielsen has met terms of its agreements with the city, county and state. Still, the layoffs and the presence of foreign contractors from India-based Tata Consultancy Services give some Oldsmar officials heartburn.

That wasn't what they had in mind years ago when they approved two incentives designed to keep Nielsen from moving from Pinellas to Atlanta.

"We're very disappointed with Americans losing their jobs to foreigners, especially with the economy the way it is," says Ronecker, who has been meeting with Nielsen representatives.

And in a twist that is legal but not popular with Oldsmar officials, Nielsen has submitted a reimbursement claim to the state for creating some jobs now filled by foreign contractors. If state officials approve Nielsen's 2007 tax refund claim under Florida's Qualified Target Industry program, Oldsmar's share of the payout would be $11,666.

A county official says QTI agreements allow companies to count contractors in requests for local support because businesses routinely contract out work such as cleaning, security or human resources.

"Unfortunately, when these contracts were written, they weren't even thinking about outsourcing," Ronecker says. "They didn't have the foresight to see how this would turn out."

And Ronecker says Nielsen officials can't give him a satisfactory two-sentence answer to this question: "If you are firing American workers and bringing in Indian workers at the same pay, how does that benefit you?"

The question, Watson says, is not one about using either Tata or Nielsen employees. Rather, she said, the company benefits from using both. "Our employees in Oldsmar are the majority of the workforce and we value their expertise," she said. "Our partners at TCS have a deep technical expertise in special areas required to make our business as successful as it needs to be."

• • •

In 2003, the Nielsen Co., formerly known as Nielsen Media Research, consolidated several North Pinellas offices and began moving 1,233 existing jobs to a new 475,000-square-foot high-tech facility in Oldsmar.

To help with the transition, the city, county and state pledged money through the Qualified Target Industry program, which is used to attract or retain desirable businesses.

To qualify for full QTI reimbursement, Nielsen had a target of creating 600 jobs over four years. Maintain fewer jobs than the target — as the company did the past three years — and the reimbursement was less.

Pinellas County and Oldsmar, but not the state, also pledged money through a separate Job Creation Incentive program to reward Nielsen for creating "high wage" jobs paying at least 150 percent of the county's prevailing wage each year. In 2006, the most recent with data available, the prevailing wage was $36,690.

So far, Oldsmar has paid Nielsen $158,764 in QTI money and $395,804 through the Job Creation Incentive program. But city officials started grumbling after Nielsen let go of 240 Tampa-area employees last year, including many in Oldsmar. In mid April, the company said the Oldsmar location was losing another 110 positions.

Oldsmar currently has 1,700 workers on-site, Watson said. About 200 of those work for Tata, including 50 former Nielsen employees, she said. And 137 of the 200 Tata employees, she said, replaced other contract workers — not Nielsen employees.

But former Nielsen systems administrator Kristie Otto, laid off in October, says most workers who lost jobs in her round of layoffs were Nielsen workers, not contractors.

In late September, Mitchell Habib, executive vice president of global business services, spoke with Nielsen information technology employees by conference call, she said.

Habib told them the company was re-evaluating departments and looking at outsourcing, Otto said, but that only the desktop support group was likely to be outsourced soon.

Otto, 33, of Lutz didn't work in desktop support, she said, but within 10 days she and others in a variety of positions had lost their jobs. A few were contractors, she said, but most were Nielsen employees. "I was devastated," she wrote in an e-mail. She worried about finding a job and health insurance. "I was seven months pregnant and showing."

At an Oldsmar City Council meeting this month, most council members were concerned the QTI agreement allows Nielsen to count positions filled with contractors as new jobs.

A state audit of Nielsen's application for a 2007 QTI tax refund is under way, Ronecker said, and the city will continue looking into the incentives. "The first thing we're doing is trying to take out some of the ambiguities in the contract," Ronecker said, "and verify that what they are giving us is up to speed."

Watson says Nielsen "absolutely" has met the criteria for the QTI tax refund in Oldsmar.

Initially, she said contracted positions were not included in Nielsen's 2007 QTI claim. But the refund claim lists 1,730 jobs and Watson had said 200 of the 1,700 workers on site are contractors. When asked about that, she said contractors had been included.

Pinellas County Economic Development Director Mike Meidel said Nielsen has not included contractors toward the county's Job Creation Incentive grant so far and has met the program's criteria. He said the incentive agreement, as in the QTI agreement, allows Nielsen to be reimbursed for jobs filled by contracted workers if they work on site.

Oldsmar officials don't like that idea. But unlike the QTI program, which expires after the payment in process, the city's obligation under the Job Creation Incentive program will continue. A grant of $144,712, half the real estate taxes Nielsen paid to Oldsmar in 2007, is in the works.

And with six more years left in the agreement, Oldsmar could be handing half the real estate taxes Nielsen will pay to the city back to the company through 2013.



[Last modified: May 23, 2008 09:01 PM]



Comments on this article
by Ex- Employee May 20, 2008 4:11 PM
This story could not be any more true. I am not sure what the Nielsen officials are trying to hide. Why not just come out with the truth.
by burned by Habib May 20, 2008 4:09 PM
we were all warned to be very careful when habib entered our lives. most of us googled him and saw nothing but horrible situations. he ruined so many peoples lives @ Chase and now he is doing the same @ Nielsen.
by Tom May 20, 2008 11:00 AM
Remember this is happening at other companies in the Tampa Bay Area and until we get this country turned around with a new president, it is not going to get any better. Vote.
by Joe May 20, 2008 10:58 AM
Karma or not. Nielsen is headed for the cellar. $20 million behind in revenue projection, not actual. Any prospective buyers better look long and hard at what these great buy and flip guys are doing. A great comp. isn't built by cutting their talent.
by Jerome May 20, 2008 10:56 AM
The local yocals in Oldsmar need to climb into the 21st century and wise up to how Big Business is done. SHAME ON YOU for not seeing this coming (you dopes got taken, and badly).
by Tom May 20, 2008 9:48 AM
For shame on Nielsen for putting our neighbors out on the street in favor of foreign workers. As it is not already hard enough to find work these days!
by Ramirez May 20, 2008 9:48 AM
The Real problem here it is General Electric. They want to make a big monopoly. They own 80% of NBC and now the Nielsen Official came from them. Also GE Capital has contract with India. Trying to call Loew"s collection dept. thye are on India
by Ramirez May 20, 2008 9:48 AM
Nielsen Media is giving layoff not only on Oldsmar Fl It is everywhere. New York, California, Florida Etc. They are giving layoff employee with many years off service and hiring new people to pay them less salary. The ph. # for payroll it is onIndia
by Maria May 20, 2008 8:15 AM
My husband was working for Nielsen for 6 years.He was an employee not an contractor. He asked many times what was going to happen with him. They said: do not worry, you keep your job. HE GOT LAYOFF.They lay; they only want money.What a shame!!!!!!!
by John May 19, 2008 7:40 PM
"Nielsen's new owners are $20 million behind in revenue" Check your facts, they are up $59million over same period last year. Fear mongering is bad Karma.
by Labow May 19, 2008 7:38 PM
TCS has deep technical knowledge??? LOL!!! No, Mitchell Habib has deep pocket under-the-table interests in TCS. There was no reason to let any American employees go and replace with TCS. No other reason than greed and profit for Mitchell.
by From the Inside May 19, 2008 5:59 PM
Watson further states that contractors were replaced. Many of the original Indian contractors are still there, and they are not scheduled to leave until June. Ask Nielsen for some new numbers in July, Oldsmar.
by From the Inside May 19, 2008 5:59 PM
Watson says, in part, that the TCS employees "have a deep technical expertise..." Nielsen is replacing American technical personnel with ten to twenty years of experience with recent graduates.
by joe May 19, 2008 2:31 PM
Insiders say that Nielsen's new owners are $20 million behind in revenue. Thanks to Habib all of the quality has left or are leaving. He only gave bonuses to the top 20% performers. Coincidentally they were the GE people he brought in. Beware the IP
by ted May 19, 2008 2:09 PM
Why did Oldsmar get screwed? In 2002 The project was the largest in the South Eastern United States. Any City in America would make the deal they did. It also is the State and County. In the long run Oldsmar is way ahead even giving incentives
by Jim May 19, 2008 2:02 PM
"If you are firing American workers and bringing in Indian workers at the same pay, how does that benefit you?" Easy answer, Nielsen pays Tata and Tata provides the employees at half the cost of a local employee. You got screwed Oldsmar!
by Crappy Bill May 19, 2008 1:30 PM
Crappy ratings, crappy products, crappy technology, crappy work environment, crappy executives - just another crappy company!
by Soon to be X Nielsen May 19, 2008 10:37 AM
Thank you for making the public aware. I soon will be ex-Nielsen and no I am not a contractor. Two weeks ago when I was tranferring my duties to a TCS employee, he informed me that he will be returning to India in Sept. There you have it, first hand.
by Labow May 19, 2008 10:37 AM
Thanks Theresa - please keep up the great work and continue to report on this company and trying to trick the City of Oldmar out of their tax dollars. Watson is a "puppet" representative of Nielsen! Please investigate further!
by JM May 19, 2008 10:37 AM
Isn't coca cola doing the same thing?I think we should close all borders.Then this country would have to become self sufficient and give jobs to Americans.I feel we should stop all foreign aid.
by Tara May 19, 2008 10:37 AM
I worked for Nielsen foe 10 years. I was told my job was being eliminated. No contractor filled my position. How can Nielsen say they are keeping jobs in Oldsmar when my job was eliminated. That is what HR said when they gave me my severance pkg.
by Lenny May 19, 2008 10:37 AM
When is someone going to investigate the tax refunds TATA keeps from their indentured servants they have placed at Nielsen. Habib is probably kickbacks from that as well. Habib and and band of theives are corporate terrorists!
by Curious May 19, 2008 10:09 AM
I work at Nielsen. The Indians are tight with their money. They crammed themselves 6 to an apartment and bring their lunches to work. Their effect on the local economy is negligible. Oldsmar got screwed.
by N. O. Morebush May 19, 2008 9:39 AM
Blame Jeb. And at the national level, Blame George. Traitors both. Vote for corporatistas and the chickens come home to roost.
by captn obvious May 19, 2008 9:39 AM
how awesome is it that the google ads has a link for tata consulting. wake up people, outsourcing isnt about jobs, its about DR, on a major US economic level.
by X-Nielsen May 18, 2008 2:00 PM
The story is missing a major item, the contractors are going back to India with the jobs. The jobs are going and soon will be gone.
by Do Something May 18, 2008 2:00 PM
So the government is looking into it. What I want to know is when we all put on our red bonnets and sharpen our pikes and launch a nationally covered protest outside Nielson
by Lindsay May 18, 2008 2:00 PM
I can't thank the Times enough for reporting on this shameful situation. I realize the Times may do business with Nielson, so it's good to see this devastating scam (my family has been impacted and we'll still down one income months later) covered.
by John May 18, 2008 2:00 PM
Contracts are made to be broken. It is time for Oldsmar to stand up and take a position. If the elected officials won't address this problem, let's begin recalling them until we get someone who will stand up for what's right.
by SAM May 18, 2008 1:59 PM
The wording that Karen Blackwell uses for this travesty is right out of the L1 Visa guidelines. It is a lie ! The vast majority of TATA workers are very young (22 - 29) with absolutely NO knowledge of Nielsen or its processes and antiquated software.
by Oldsmar Driver May 18, 2008 1:57 PM
As I drove through Oldsmar, I was trying to figure out why there are so many Indians walking around town, now I know why. Thanks SP TIMES. The only place I see them shop is WalMart, so they are not helping the local economy at ALL.
by Bob May 18, 2008 1:56 PM
Tax benefits for Nielsen amount to "Corporate Welfare". Cut the welfare rolls!!!!
by Joe May 18, 2008 1:56 PM
They may have met the legal terms of the deal but certainly not the spirit. Typical big business deal.
by JD May 18, 2008 1:48 PM
Karen Watson, Nielsen CCO said "Nielsen has [...brought] millions of payroll dollars to the area." True but much of it is going to foreign workers temporarily living in Oldsmar.
by Robert Murray May 18, 2008 1:22 AM
As far as the payouts go there is no way the Nielsen can justify taking our tax money and not living up to their agreement with the city of Oldsmar. This is just another of big businesseslack of honesty. In this country this is becoming the norm.
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