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Wachovia economists confirmed Thursday what many Floridians already felt in their bones:
The state is in a recession.
In its first down quarter in 16 years, the Florida economy shrank 1.6 percent during the second quarter. It was the state economy's worst performance since 1991. The numbers produced the most miserable showing of all the large states and a sharp contrast to the U.S. economy, which grew 1.9 percent.
"We're going to bounce back from this, but it's going to take a couple of years," said Wachovia senior economist and longtime Florida watcher Mark Vitner. "We have the Florida economy losing momentum right through 2008, then bottoming out late this year or in early 2009."
Although the traditional definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, Vitner says we're already there.
"The test is 'has there been a significant, broad-based decline?' and there has been in Florida," he said. "Most of the weakness has been in housing, but we've seen it impact so many other things."
He said that as housing became less affordable, fewer people moved to Florida and "when people stopped coming, that weighed on virtually every industry."
Consumer spending slowed, with taxable sales down 6.5 percent over the past year, motor vehicle sales off 12 percent and consumer confidence near record lows. Unemployment has risen to 5.5 percent. Tourism has been a bright spot, but Vitner said even that's losing steam with airlines cutting back flights.
"Businesses are really hesitant to commit to any purchases," said Russ Jones, who owns Dazzle Decals, a St. Petersburg company that turns vehicles into mobile billboards. "Everyone is just trying to hold on to what they have because they don't know how long this slowdown is going to be. We're in a recession all right."
But not everybody has the same perspective. Caroline Spencer, co-owner of Wilsey Auto Service in St. Petersburg, said her auto repair business is doing better than last year, thanks partly to a boost from the IRS economic stimulus checks.
"I had a lot of people tell me they used theirs for car repairs," she explained. Spencer said she has noticed fewer cars in restaurant parking lots, but said, "I think things are going pretty good, considering everything that's happening."
Even builders are cautiously optimistic.
"Last year we had a lot of inventory under construction and not a lot of sales. This year we're starting to move the inventory," said Scott Shimberg, owner of Hyde Park Builders in Tampa.
Randy Simmons, owner of R.R. Simmons, a commercial construction company in Tampa, said business has been good this year, but 2009 is less certain. "It's a little early to tell," he said. "But it's hard for Florida to be down a long time."
Simmons said the drop in housing prices should help in the long run. "Affordable housing had gotten completely out of whack, and that's key to attracting new business," he said.
A major reason the current situation feels so bad is that Floridians are accustomed to feeling so good.
"Even sluggish growth seems like torture when you are accustomed to being one of the fastest-growing economies in the nation," Vitner said. Instead of doing better than the national economy, Florida has been doing worse for the past year.
Competitively, Florida's economy is slipping relative to such states as Texas, North Carolina and Georgia, according to Wachovia economists.
Don't look for a quick rebound. Vitner predicts a downturn of 0.4 percent for this year as a whole, positive but anemic growth of 0.4 percent next year, improving to 2.2 percent in 2010. The model Vitner uses to determine how fast the economy is growing — or shrinking — is based on growth in jobs, hours worked and personal incomes, as well as other factors.
In the last national recession, in 2001, Florida's economy continued to grow, albeit slowly. You have to go back to the second quarter of 1992 to find another downturn, a mere 0.2 percent — nothing near the latest's quarter 1.6 percent contraction. Last quarter's decline was the worst since a 1.9 percent drop in the first quarter of 1991.
Helen Huntley can be reached at huntley@sptimes.com
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Comments on this article
by Joe
Aug 4, 2008 4:35 PM
most of the jobs that FL added over the last several years were in house construction. that has dried up. blame for the economy lies on both sides of the politcal isle. clinton with NAFTA and bush's trickle down policies have failed.
by Judy
Aug 4, 2008 4:27 PM
Hey kiddies, I hate to tell ya, but your living in Paradise! Try living up north, we are hurting 10 times more than you guys, and all we have is HIGH TAXES, bad weather, NO culture, NOTHING!!! The whole nation is suffering because of BUSH!
by DisgustedinStPete
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
We need a new way to measure.People have been suffering,#of quarters of pointless numbers mean nothing to those ground beneath the wheels of this machine.Enron,Halliburton etc the rich, richer, the poor, poorer-sound familiar yet?
by Justin
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Please, lets not express poor political logic anymore. The Rep and Dems are controlled by the same interest-- Wallstreet and transnational corporations. To regurgitate the left vs right fake paradigm that's promoted by the media is pure deception....
by Justin
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Let me add, you have no one to blame but yourself. People keep voting for who ever the corporate media promotes, and then you question political outcomes? People want government to solve their problems which is nothing more than slavery...
by debi
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Bill, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto unfortunately I speak for millions of us feeling our failing economy, all we can do is have faith and say lots of prayers.
by ECON101
Aug 2, 2008 11:14 PM
Techically the state is not in a recession. You need to consecutive quarters to be in a recession. For the U.S., we still have not had 1 quarter of negative growth.
by CK
Aug 2, 2008 11:14 PM
Unfortunately, the finger will again, be pointed towards the poor and laws passed to get them out of view and behind bars, while the squandering, mismanagement, cheating and stealing of the county's remaining wealth continues.
by Trapped
Aug 2, 2008 5:51 PM
Come on people...no one bragging that they live in Florida anymore. The Gulf vistas and Mickey Mouse not enough anymore. We live in supposed "Paradise".. Until this state realizes that you cann'nt only have one type of industry,& no tech. were doomed
by Mike
Aug 2, 2008 5:51 PM
Instead of blaming Politicians how about looking at how Real Estate specualtors drove up home prices, and then homeowners took advantage of that and maxed out home equity loans, further conpounded with hurricanes and insurance.
by Thomas
Aug 2, 2008 5:50 PM
Thank you for last year's news!
by valuesvoter
Aug 2, 2008 5:50 PM
Have to laugh when i hear the term, "Conservatives."
They are anything BUT conservative.
GOP = Greedy Obtuse Perverts(Google rethuglican sex scandals)
Heckuva job, bushbots.
by Honor
Aug 2, 2008 5:50 PM
Stop blaming the war. Idiots who wanted big houses NOW without the corresponding income or sense created this along with the real estate people and brokers and banks. Congratulations to the greedy people, you made this pile of rubble.
by bob
Aug 2, 2008 5:50 PM
Awe. You think the St. Petersburg times is continually printing Doom and Gloom? The reality some people can't take the truth of the doom and gloom. Go shopping go watch a movie, put your head in the sand like nothing is wrong as in the past.Times up!
by travis
Aug 2, 2008 5:36 PM
"...the definition of recession is 2 quarters with no growth." Sometimes we need to revise definitions. Example, compare the word "gay" in 1950 with today. This is not just political, both parties suk. Try living within, or beneath, your means, eh?
by Caius
Aug 2, 2008 5:36 PM
Until the democrats and their leaders permit a realistic energy policy including drilling, drilling, drilling, the American economy will suffer the consequences of a serious politically induced recession/depression.
by Syn
Aug 2, 2008 5:24 PM
Come on, Bill. Its not the GOP, its the terrible taxation system, property appraisers, insurance premiums and the "screw the tourist" mentality. Please explain to me why a house bought today is taxed more than that same house last year?
by Mike
Aug 2, 2008 5:24 PM
Instead of blaming Politicians how about looking at how Real Estate specualtors drove up home prices, and then homeowners took advantage of that and maxed out home equity loans, further conpounded with hurricanes and insurance.
by Dorine
Aug 2, 2008 5:23 PM
The only thing that has changed in the last 8 years to lead us to this 'recession' is that the Dems took control of Congress. Ever since they have given us sky rocketing gas and inflation, with the promise of higher taxes to boot come November...
by Change
Aug 2, 2008 5:20 PM
Why did America vote for Bush 8 years ago?? Was it because he was in the military?was a good public speaker?knew what he has going to do once President? Hey Wachovia, I can do pie charts & bar graphs on my computer to!
by Richard
Aug 2, 2008 5:19 PM
W. Sr. oversaw the Savings and Loan debaucle. Jr.'s first fleece job was providing unfettered/ unaccounted for money to private mercenarys in Iraq. Then we have the "unregulated" loan market being bailed out to the tune of billions. Bush Whacked!
by Dave
Aug 2, 2008 8:04 AM
Tourism is the only bright spot, so lets improve our image by covering our beaches with oil blobs and tar to attract all those tourists away from the Texas beaches.
by alan
Aug 2, 2008 8:03 AM
you think this is bad, wait till obama get in office ,,your taxes are about to put u in the poor house for good..beleive me,, he has got greatt stories and where is the money going to come from,, vote obama in and you can kiss your butt goodbye,
by alan
Aug 2, 2008 8:02 AM
you think this is bad, wait till obama get in office ,,your taxes are about to put u in the poor house for good..beleive me,, he has got greatt stories and where is the money going to come from,, vote obama in and you can kiss your butt goodbye,
by Bill
Aug 2, 2008 7:57 AM
The US economy is just starting to come apart at the seams. Seriously folks, don't be surprised if the next couple of years (or longer) get REALLY ugly for the entire economy. There is a long fall ahead. Thanks GOP
by Lousey Job Jeb & Crist
Aug 2, 2008 7:57 AM
Thank you Jeb Bush for investing $650 Million in Enron. Going from a 20+ Billion budget to 70+ Billion Budget during his term & Crist has broken promises. Failed to fix the propert tax & insurance mess he has allowed even a Floridas' AG & Gov.
by Rick K
Aug 2, 2008 7:34 AM
A recession is two consecutive quaters of shrinking production, not one. Times redefines recession during election years. Wachovia also has the worst record of nearly everyone in predicting 12 months out. CHECK
by Jamie
Aug 2, 2008 7:33 AM
What? Bush was wrong?
Keep inflating the economy artificially until we EXPLODE!
by Mel
Aug 1, 2008 8:33 PM
Um....yea..it "arrived" two years ago!!
by JH
Aug 1, 2008 8:12 PM
The headline sez FL's in a recession, not the country. The US economy cont'd to grow, albeit a slower rate of 1.9%. The media is overwhelmingly liberal and they are trying to get their man elected. The last real recession was during Clinton.
by Fries with That?
Aug 1, 2008 8:11 PM
Compared to the rest of the country, Florida has always been in a recession.
by leatherneck
Aug 1, 2008 8:11 PM
Let me see. Reduced growth. Dismal economy. Reduced electrical energy demand. People leaving Florida. Let's go ahead and let Progress Energy build 2 hugely expensive power plants and charge us for nothing. Public Services Commission. Fleece job.
by jimmy
Aug 1, 2008 7:57 PM
Dear Helen: Please distinguish between 'markets' and 'economies' when discussing recession. We indeed have depressed markets in real estate, but Florida's export markets are booming. Unemployment is still low. Our economy is NOT in a recession.
by Paul
Aug 1, 2008 7:53 PM
So to those of you who have decided this is all the Republicans fault. How long do the "Obama has to clean up the mess" excuses go on before this will he his problem too? It is not a party issue! Both are clueless!
by Angela
Aug 1, 2008 7:48 PM
Helloooo....just Florida? Try the whole country!
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