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Some downtown businesses say Rays' success has hurt business

By By Waveney Ann Moore, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, October 16, 2008


Business has been mixed at Grillside Central in downtown St. Petersburg when the Rays play at nearby Tropicana Field.
Business has been mixed at Grillside Central in downtown St. Petersburg when the Rays play at nearby Tropicana Field.
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ST. PETERSBURG — Amid the cheers and cowbells, some downtown businesses say the Rays' playoff success and surging crowds have meant frustration and disappointment.

Some complain that the sellout games have actually cost them business. Rays fans, they say, bypassed downtown restaurants by riding game-day shuttles or parked for hours in front of their restaurants, taking spots from regular patrons.

"If anything, it's hurt us," said Scott Vogel, owner of Cafe Alma on First Avenue S. "For example, Friday night, it was an absolute ghost town in here. … Everybody was either watching the game in a sports bar, or at home watching the game, or at the game."

It may be a matter of geography.

Restaurants and bars closest to Tropicana Field, like Savannah's Cafe and Ferg's sports bar, have benefited big from the playoffs.

Those farther away are having trouble drawing crowds.

BayWalk, the already struggling entertainment complex near the city's waterfront, has failed to reap rewards from the playoffs, its new owner says.

The team's victory party last month at nearby Straub Park drew some fans to the complex, but Fred Bullard III, whose family recently purchased BayWalk, said he hasn't seen much baseball-related activity.

"We do obviously get some upswing in business when the team is in town, but that's pretty normal, even during the regular season. So overall, it's nothing significant," Bullard said.

Vogel was more blunt. The playoffs increased business "not one bit," he said.

"We're a polished, casual restaurant. We don't really promote the television," he said. "When the playoff games have been going, our sales have been off 50 to 60 percent. And I was a proponent of the new stadium, and now I'm starting to think otherwise."

Not everyone farther from the stadium has been disappointed, though. At Lonni's Sandwiches on Central Avenue, the games have generated excitement and increased business, manager Lisa Murray said.

"With the way the economy is going, a lot of people are brown-bagging it, but the energy and excitement it's brought to downtown has really helped," she said. "We saw a lot of foot traffic."

Many have been ordering the $5.99 Rays' Victory Special: half a ham and cheese sandwich, chips and a drink.

Playoff fever has also drawn more people to the Columbia Restaurant and Cha Cha Coconuts at the Pier, said Curt Gaither, chief operating officer of the Columbia Restaurant Group.

"I think it has definitely helped business, just the excitement of everything that is going on. It's bringing people out and they want to have dinner and they want to have a drink," he said.

Don't tell that to John Mendonca, owner of G's Rotisserie Grill on Fourth Street N. He says the shuttle buses whisk fans past his business. Bryan Chant, who owns the King and I Thai restaurant on Central Avenue, had his own complaints. "They park up here and nobody comes in," he said. "Every time they have a game, we don't make any money."

The playoffs have "helped and hurt at the same time," said Andrea Hamilton, manager at nearby Grillside Central.

"When they played the 2:30 game, a lot of people left their cars at the office and walked down. On the way down, they stopped to eat. When it's the late game, we've gotten some dinner (customers) out of it," she said. "It's really hit and miss."

The Emerald Bar at 550 Central Ave., on the other hand, is consistently packing them in, said bartender Elizabeth Ward. That may have something to do with money. Known for cheap drinks, it's offering specials to thirsty fans.

Closer to the stadium, businesses came up with a plan to entice people to stop. John Warren, owner of Savannah's, said he and others decided to create a family-friendly spot.

"I think the feeling among the merchants in that area was to show that we care and create an area where fans can feel comfortable rather than walking through," he said.

The result: They got permission from the city to close off Central Avenue between 11th and 13th streets and showed games on a 16- by 24-foot screen and offered food, music and drinks.

The games have been a boon for D&J's Cafe, a tiny takeout establishment across the street from Savannah's, said co-owner Daniel James McBride. Fans stop for a bite on the way to the game and return "gassed up" and ready for more, he said.

Ferg's owner Mark Ferguson said business is up four times from what it was a year ago. When Saturday's game against the Boston Red Sox went past closing time, the bar lost about $5,000 in sales, Ferguson said, but it didn't matter.

"Because they won," he said.

Times staff writer Cristina Silva contributed to this report. Waveney Ann Moore can be reached at wmoore@sptimes.com or (727)892-2283.



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Comments on this article
by Krystle Oct 22, 2008 12:26 PM
Hey maybe we can tear down Baywalk and put a new stadium there. I have been to Ceviches, Independent, Savannahs, Fergs, Mastrys and others on game nights. If your business wasn't doing well then you need to do a better job promoting and stop crying.
by TONY Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
They open the door and say where OPEN?ok..any one out front passing out the daily specials?.always have people at the bar?even if it is you Mom & Dad..A full bar draws people.Stop complaining about it a do something. Get the book Running A Restaurat
by Crying-Towel Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
Everything is OK Obama has a bailout program for you that are affected. Please fill out this form and one of our upset restaurant specialists will be with you shortly. Please wait by John and Bryan they will be here to disenchant you.
by Pete Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
Nothing to worry about, tonight will be the last night of lost business.
by zenny Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
The new bayfront stadium would have had thousands of fans walking right past these business 81+ times per year. Too bad the old fuddy-duddies shot it down.
by mary Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
used to happen every post season when I lived in Atlanta, post season kills restaurants... can't have it all. I'd rather have the Rays win.
by John Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
Memo to the restaurant people - unless you are sports bar in a convenient location near the stadium, what do you expect??? And how many people sit down at a 'polised, casual restaurant' on their way to a game?
by Lopaka Oct 20, 2008 4:58 PM
Good restaurants draw customers; the others go out of business. Aloha no ka oi, Vogel.
by Cindy Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
Kevin says it best-if business owners cant get creative enough to capitalize on the baseball crowd then they dont deserve the business! Quit complaining and figure a way to use baseball to your advantage-i know it can be done! GO RAYS!!!
by john Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
I love Cafe Alma's, but I've lived here all my life, and the first time we ate there, I had a hard time finding it. The restaurants who aren't getting business need a better advertising strategy.
by Dwight Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
You know what happens when a team is unsupported by the community and merchants around it, it moves to another city. Go ahead, keep complaining about how successfl the team is and pretty soon it won't be a problem.
by george Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
ummm....if you put a TV on who in there right mind would want to eat at your resturaunt. Maybe you should have considered your location before opening there.
by Bill Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
Ahhh...St. Petersburg at its constipated finest. Dear Mr. Sternberg...how about you and Oren Koulis do a deal for the 5 acres by the Forum? We'll actually appreciate your presence here in Tampa.
by Peter Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
Cafe Alma needs to get on board or get out of the way...no TV's and you complain about lack of sports fan traffic...get a clue. It's about what the customer wants, not about what you are interested in "promoting"
by Theresnocryinginbaseball Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM
John Mendonce: Please stop crying. I think you need to be on Hells Kitchen. Then maybe Chef Gordon can show you how to run a restaurant.After reading that you are Complaining . I don?t want to eat there.I would eat with winners( see you at Fergs)
by Tampabaytony Oct 20, 2008 4:56 PM
Cafe Alma would need more then a sign...Food ok, but all I heard was the staff complaining. This place is not Fan Friendly. Even the owner is cring.Mabey be more friendly and on away games nights just maybe we will come in....So stop crying..GO Rays
by Riko Oct 20, 2008 4:56 PM
We've enjoyed eating at zgrill. But it's a bad businessman who doesn't capitalize on a great opportunity.
by Kelly Oct 17, 2008 6:03 PM
Grillside Central needs to hire someone who knows how to appropriately use apostrophes on their sign. Bad first impression = people spend their money somewhere else.
by Tim Oct 17, 2008 5:05 PM
Hey Cafe Alama - Try getting a sign! No one can find you due to our obsure location. The Rays are generating lots of business in St Pete this fall!!! The times should focus on that rather than the one or two merchants crying about the parking.
by Centerfield13 Oct 17, 2008 11:32 AM
This article seems like a veiled attempt to take another cheap shot at a downtown stadium. Going by this article, it seems obvious St. Pete's business community doesn't really want the Rays there -- I bet Tampa would support the Rays!
by Patrick Oct 16, 2008 9:13 PM
"We're a polished, casual restaurant. We don't really promote the television," So they don't want to cater to the need of a Sports fan but they want the business of a sports fan. It doesn't work like that.
by mike Oct 16, 2008 9:13 PM
Why not promote the game at your business? After all the effort to get baseball in St. Pete & the great year that the Rays continue to have, how can businesses say the success hurt them? They must be a LOUSY place for losers only buy a TV get with it
by zack Oct 16, 2008 7:33 PM
yes business is not great but Rays in world series is great ,serve good food people will come dont complain about being on the world stage for the month of oct . three t.v.s and beer food specials at zurritos formerly zgrille during all games
by I Like the Rays and Food too Oct 16, 2008 7:32 PM
Here's an idea....put a TV in your restaurant. Oh, you don't "promote" TV? Well, maybe you should change your business approach to take advantage of what customers are out there. I dont like "polished" and "casual"...I like chicken wings and beer.
by skp Oct 16, 2008 5:34 PM
thousands of new potential customers coming from all over and you're upset because they don't think to just walk thru your door? have they considered.....advertising? the "Rays Victory Special" is the right idea, offer deals to folks who present tix
by Kevin Oct 16, 2008 4:49 PM
Scott Vogel, I'm surprised. You seemed like a savvy business owner to me. But, unless your comments were taken WAY out of context, you are totally missing a golden opportunity with your scarcity mindset... You say you don't promote television...
by Kevin Oct 16, 2008 4:35 PM
...and I like that about your place. But, if there's ever been a time to make an exception - this is it. Bring in some screens and promote an upscale game watching experience to your clientele. Serve gourmet versions of ballpark food - have fun!
by John Oct 16, 2008 4:35 PM
Baywalk is dead and has nothing to do with the Rays. The African American thugs chased all the normal people off. Might was well tear it down or put hip hop clubs in there because it's fallen out of favor with the rest of us.
by Mike Oct 16, 2008 4:32 PM
Right on Perry. They had a huge amount of potential customers in the area. Just because they didn't find a way to capitalize, don't blame the Rays.
by Aaron Oct 16, 2008 4:29 PM
I'm a firm believer in the Rays having an entertainment complex aroundythe staduim, not a parking lot. This will prevent people from just jumping in their car and leaving the area. It would encourage folks to shop and eat even on days the rays r off.
by Jason A. Oct 16, 2008 4:28 PM
I think that your problem is the $6 half-a-sandwich deal or should I say bad deal... For $5 I can get a footlong ham and cheese at Subway!!
by Barbara Oct 16, 2008 4:19 PM
Hey Fred, now that TooJay's has closed, you're going to see alot less traffic. Too bad you couldn't convince them to stay. Now there's little reason to go to Baywalk. And when the movie theater closes, there will be no reason to go. Too bad!
by Kris Oct 16, 2008 11:31 AM
While I think it is great the Rays are on top, I stay clear of my normal haunts in the area on game days because of the lack of parking...I can only imagine the chaos if they were squished into the spot on the waterfront.
by tim Oct 16, 2008 11:31 AM
The ONLY restaurant and bar businesses the Rays care about, are the restaurants and bars INSIDE the stadium. Screw the rest of 'em.
by TechRider Oct 16, 2008 11:31 AM
Cafe Alma should be happy. They appear to be the restaurant not hurt by the recession. Blaming the Ray's success? That is idiotic.
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