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Citizens Insurance 'opt-out,' 'takeout' system nettlesome

By Ivan Penn, Times staff writer
In print: Friday, November 14, 2008


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If you want to stick with the state-run Citizens Property Insurance, pray that private insurance companies don't consider you a "desirable" policyholder.

Once the private insurers set their sights on a Citizens customer, they won't give up. Turn down one, and another will likely hit you up.

The state's "takeout" process requires Citizens policyholders to opt out if they don't want to be moved to a private insurer. But as Largo residents Olga and Adrian Mackenrow learned, opting out can be an ongoing headache.

They received a takeout notice in January from Homewise Preferred Insurance Co. and thought they had properly sent the opt out notice so they could stay with the state-run insurer.

Olga Mackenrow even took off work one day to ensure it was all done correctly.

But by August, they found that, against their stated wish, they had been transferred to Homewise, with their bank paying their insurance premium to the private company from their escrow account. They had to take more money to pay Citizens to keep their policy with the state before Homewise finally reimbursed them.

"I was very upset about the whole thing," Olga Mackenrow said. "I sent everything certified mail. It's time, money. … When is this going to stop?"

Bill Sparkes, chief operating officer at Homewise, said it had no record of the Mackenrows sending an opt-out letter directly to the company, but did find an opt-out notification sent directly to Citizens.

More takeouts are being approved, with private insurers approved to take out 110,000 more policies beginning today.

Larry Willis, a board member of the Professional Insurance Agents of Florida and the Citizens Agents Roundtable, said the program's intent is good, but there have been problems.

Willis said the Roundtable, a group that informs Citizens about agent and consumer issues, told the state-run insurance company of one client that received four takeout letters from different companies.

Takeout insurers, mostly new, small insurance companies, bid on policies in Citizens. The takeouts often bid on the same policies that come with low risk and high premiums.

Citizens randomly awards the properties. If a homeowner decides to stay with the state, his policy goes back in the pool and might be picked again.

"The takeout process can be frustrating for everybody," said Willis. "It can be frustrating for the consumer, the agent, the takeout company and for Citizens."

John Kuczwanski, a spokesman for Citizens, said changes to the takeout process by the Legislature were designed to create more choices of insurance carriers for homeowners, which would lead to lower insurance rates and reduce the state's financial exposure in a catastrophe.

Homeowners initially might be uncomfortable with companies they don't know, but they will see the benefits, Kuczwanski said. "As people become more familiar with these companies, there's a different comfort level. We don't know why a person would opt to stay with us."

In the past, insurance agents had veto power over a proposed takeout offer. But the state wanted to give consumers more choice, while pressing to empty Citizens of hundreds of thousands of policies that have left the insurer with $437-billion in risk exposure for about 1.2-million policies.

Now if agents object to a takeout offer, the agent must inform Citizens, which will send a letter to the homeowner advising that he can bypass the agent.

Insurance agents say that the prospect of losing their commissions hamstrings them from giving their customers honest advice about their misgivings about some companies.

"We're being forced to do business with many more insurance companies than we would normally do business with," Willis said. "We don't know whether the company is going to be easy to deal with."

For homeowners who want to stay with Citizens, Kuczwanski said the process provides multiple opportunities to stay with the state-run insurer, starting with the opt-out letter.

There is also a 30-day rescission period where customers can switch back to Citizens, and after that, the state-run insurer will still review cases of those who want to come back.

Jane Ames, 76, of New Smyrna Beach, is "flabbergasted" at the process; she believes she should be able to "opt in" rather than "opt out." She said she sent an opt-out letter to Magnolia Insurance Co., only to receive another takeout letter, from Homeowners Choice Insurance Co.

"Whatever it is they're doing, it's backwards," Ames said. "They talk about making things easier for the senior years. Well, this is a joke."

After months battling to get reimbursed from Homewise and back with Citizens, the Mackenrows thought they were finished untangling the mess. But last month they received another takeout notice, this time from Magnolia. Again, they have opted out and are hoping it works this time without all the hassles.

The burden is on Citizens policyholders to regularly check their mail for takeout letters and other insurance information, Kuczwanski said. "Maybe it's an unfortunate side effect of living in Florida."

Ivan Penn can be reached at ipenn@sptimes.com or (727) 892-2332.



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Comments on this article
by Lee Nov 18, 2008 7:37 PM
If we ever get hit by a big storm and Citizens goes into the red, they have the ability to tax every policy in the state. This is why removing policies from Citizens back to the private market is important...
by Lee Nov 18, 2008 4:05 PM
You should research before commenting. Many of these companies have been in business for 10yrs or more, and survived the most significan storm activity in the history of the state. Plus you dont have to accept thier offers, you can stay with Citizens
by Maria Nov 15, 2008 11:35 PM
This makes no sense. These D-rated companies are collecting big bucks now but will collapse when a hurricane hits. Citizens will have to clean up the mess, but without having collected any premiums. Whose bright idea was this? REPUBLICANS.
by Bill Nov 15, 2008 11:28 PM
The simple solution is to publish a list of political contributions from insurance companies,agents, and industry connected lobbyists with the opt out notice. People will figure it out eventually.
by Marcie Nov 15, 2008 8:42 PM
This should be challenged in court. A contract must have a valid offer and acceptance. If the insurer alleges that a letter was sent but the insured party doesn't receive it, they claim implied acceptance. Where's the proof that an offer was sent?
by Paul Nov 15, 2008 8:39 PM
I got an 'opt out' notice. I called Homeowners Choice and asked why my other property didn't get the notice. They told me they will only insure owner occupied property. I'm declining as I don't want more than 1 insurance company to hassle with.
by david Nov 15, 2008 8:38 PM
change the present system to allow people to change carriers by accepting new company & its coverage, rates, etc.. rather than opting out. that way u would eliminate all the current problems.
by what a joke Nov 15, 2008 8:26 PM
I got the "opt-out" letter from Homeowners Choice with very little info about the company and what kinda policy coverage and cost I'd face during the renewal time.Is this the insurance reform we are getting?I've no faith with the Repub.FL state govt.
by Rick Nov 15, 2008 7:31 PM
Bottom line - who do you trust more to pay your claim in the event of a catastrophe, mom and pop insurance company (with a manipulate A or B rating) or Citizens? I thought so.
by Rick Nov 15, 2008 7:30 PM
Homeowners ins is similar to health ins in one important way - if private companies are able to cherry pick the best policies, what will be left in citizens will be an unstable mess - high risk/super high premium policies
by Linda Nov 15, 2008 7:27 PM
Can't get out of florida fast enough..Black water they call drinking water, Insurance out of control, scam after scam...what a mess!!
by Patty Nov 15, 2008 7:18 PM
STILL waiting for insurance and tax reform. Where are you governor?????
by PASCO PETE Nov 15, 2008 7:04 PM
CITIZENS IS NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
by Richard Nov 15, 2008 6:23 PM
Be ware. 2 years ago I was taken over by Homewise without a choice. It cost me more and I found out at the time that they were an Insurance Management co. Smoke and mirrors for the consumer again. Policy holders, good luck.
by roger Nov 15, 2008 5:04 PM
if the state gives these companies start up $, sells discount reinsurance, provides the cat fund and the guarantee fund...how is this shifting risk away from the state/taxpayer? it just allows for sweeheart deals like Bill Poe's $1bil state bailout.
by Bill Nov 15, 2008 1:11 AM
Citizens still has hundreds of unpaid claims from 2005, anyone who thinks they are better than these start ups is kidding themselves. Also unlike the private companies it still has yet to be determined if u can sue Citizens since it is government run
by CP_R1200R Nov 15, 2008 1:11 AM
Monday my 3rd offer from some no name insurance company is being rejected via certified mail. btw how will they save me money over my Ciizens Policy-As they claim? Poor service? Marginal capitalization? ..Try again Mr. Kuczwanski.
by D Nov 14, 2008 9:27 PM
When you get an "opt out" letter, compare the policy coverages rather than the cost; lesser coverage can cost you a lot more in the long run. Especially check pool cage coverage.
by Nanny Nov 14, 2008 9:24 PM
You would think that we would learn that when government gets involved in business for whatever reason, the consumers will pay with more than money.
by Mary Nov 14, 2008 9:22 PM
How about we get a chance to opt out altogether? If we have the capital to replace our home in the case of a natural disaster we shouldn't be forced to buy insurance. It's not like the insurance company will have the capital for pay outs any way.
by A Nov 14, 2008 9:16 PM
READ the bound Citizens app people,page 4 of 4,.."the policy may be selected and issued by an authorized insurer other than Citizens. It can also be taken out of Citizens by an authorized Insurer...Citizens is suppose to be a last resort.
by lisa Nov 14, 2008 9:15 PM
the whole home owner s ins . game here is a joke ..the banks are the ones who require ,then they should insure us at a reasonable rate.....
by Will Nov 14, 2008 9:11 PM
Does this Kuczwanski guy realize that many of us already did this a few years ago? I was forced placed with Southern Family and they went broke and I ended up having to pay my premium twice and wait months for a state refund and ended back @ Citizen
by Tom Nov 14, 2008 9:09 PM
Sorry but if there are private insurance companies willing to take Citizens customers with similar insurance at similar rates, then they should be allowed to thus reducing the size of government insruance. Govt shouldn't be in the insurance business.
by Catherine Nov 14, 2008 9:07 PM
My elderly mother is caught up in this and doesn't understand any of it and keeps getting offers she doesn't know what to do with. I am not sure even who she is insured with now. What a terrible system being forced upon us, who is responsible?
by george Nov 14, 2008 8:57 PM
i solved that problem by paying off my house and stopped paying those high insurance bills i have over 15,000 in savings that i would have paid the insurance the bigger crooks then the taxes is insurance agents
by Pete Nov 14, 2008 8:57 PM
Many of these so call opt out companies have a below average rating of a d-f. Not what I want to cover my home. Told one company to take a hike. If a compqany with an A-b wishes for my business I'm willing to look into it
by Tom Nov 14, 2008 8:48 PM
Mutual of Omaha hit my bank twice after I quit. They alter the amount to get around stop orders. I closed the bank account and considered vaguely appropriate reprisal. -that was flush times. Dell stole a little loose change recently. Pay by check.
by Bill Nov 14, 2008 8:48 PM
Let the homeowner decide if he wants to leave Citizens. All the risk in current process is on the homeowner to keep his policy in force " where he wants it". Under capitalized "NEW" companies will fail if claims increase due to hurricanes, etc.
by robert Nov 14, 2008 8:26 PM
Is this the governor's insurence reform?
by Peter Nov 14, 2008 8:24 PM
Great - the government screwing things up again
by Todd Nov 14, 2008 8:22 PM
Citizens officials need to understand that agents are not comfortable w/ telling their clients to go with a brand new start up company. Most already work with 5 - 10 different companies & working with more is just too cumbersome.
by Andrew Nov 14, 2008 7:35 PM
Our system is broken. Can't we get anyone to help.
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