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Many owe more than what their homes are worth

By Nicole Hutcheson and Chandra Broadwater, Times Staff Writers
In print: Wednesday, October 15, 2008


Mortgage broker Mike Kelly, in front of his home in Seminole, understands what it’s like for his clients to be upside down on their mortgages. After dabbling in flipping, he is too.
Mortgage broker Mike Kelly, in front of his home in Seminole, understands what it’s like for his clients to be upside down on their mortgages. After dabbling in flipping, he is too.
[CHRIS ZUPPA | Times]
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Nearly half of the people who bought homes in the Tampa Bay area in the last five years owe more than their home is worth.

The story is even worse for those who bought at the market's peak in 2006. More than 70 percent of those buyers in Tampa and St. Petersburg now have negative equity, according to analysis by Zillow.com, a real estate valuation Web site.

"We don't have anything left," said Darryl Outlaw, 46, who estimates that he and his wife owe at least $50,000 more than their Dover home is worth.

"I never thought I'd be in this position. We've always made good financial decisions. My mortgage is at 5 percent, and we've never lived beyond our means. I just can't find work. Our only options now are to sell or walk away."

Pasco County — where new subdivisions were sprouting like grass during the good years — was especially hard hit. Roughly 60 percent of homes purchased in those years are worth less than the mortgages, according to Zillow, which relies on public mortgages and property records.

"We get calls from people who are trying to sell their home and haven't checked the value recently," said Rachel Nash, 56, a Zephyrhills office manager and Realtor. "Sometimes we're giving pretty bad news."

• • •

All this negative equity has a negative effect on the economy, as debt-laden homeowners curtail their spending.

It also lessens the housing market's ability to rebound because people can't sell their homes.

Sen. John McCain addressed the crisis last week when he proposed using federal money to help desperate homeowners. The McCain "Resurgence Plan" would use $300-billion in federal money to purchase current mortgages and replace them with lower, fixed-rate mortgages that the campaign says would help people like the Outlaws.

But some, like the Outlaws, remain leery of government help.

"Trickle-down economics does not work," Darryl Outlaw said. "That's why I'm so upset about this $700-billion bailout. It doesn't help me at all. I didn't even qualify for help under the economic stimulus package a few months back because I don't have a subprime mortgage."

The Outlaws' downward spiral started a few years ago when Darryl lost his information technology job. Then a construction company he opened went under. He found work at another construction company but soon was laid off. His difficult search for a job took him all the way to Athens, Ga., where he moved earlier this year to be a Web developer at the University of Georgia. His wife stayed behind.

He now makes $39,000 a year, compared to the $150,000 he used to make.

Dena, 55, works as a caseworker, but her $25,000 salary only makes a dent in their debt.

The couple have burned through their savings and a second mortgage they took out to pay bills. They figure it's only a matter of time before they lose their home.

• • •

Mike Kelly has a front-row seat to the crisis. As a mortgage broker, it's his job to get people the money they need to buy houses.

These days, Kelly spends most of his time trying to get people money so they can keep their houses. He understands their plight; he also owes more on his Seminole home than it's worth.

"We're way upside down," said Kelly, 44. "But not quite as bad as others."

He blames his situation on greed.

Kelly, a husband and father of two, bought his home in 2002. Two years later, the 3-bedroom, 2-bath with a pool was appraised at $310,000, he said. Its current market value is $240,000, about $50,000 less than he owes.

A few years ago, he and a partner decided to play the flipping game using his home equity. The pair did well with a couple of properties. But the last one —- a condo conversion at Lake Seminole — bombed. They got $105,000 less than they paid.

But Kelly said he's not giving up yet.

"I'm not walking away," he said. "I'm not going anywhere."

In Pasco, Nash says she and other Realtors have found themselves taking on the role of credit counselor.

"We have worked with people to tell them how to work with the bank to renegotiate for lower interest rates or that type of thing, to lower their payment," she said.

For some folks, short sales are often the best option, Nash said.

"We have quite a few that are in the works right now. … It's much harder when someone has a second mortgage also on the property," she said.

That's the situation the Outlaws find themselves in.

A few days ago they posted their 3,500-square-foot home in a short sale ad on craigslist.com.

They bought the five-bedroom home in 2004 for $280,000. Because of the second mortgage, they owe $378,000.

They're hoping to get enough to pay off the note.

"We might get $320,000," he said. "Maybe."

Staff writer Helen Anne Travis contributed to this report. Nicole Hutcheson can be reached at nhutcheson@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8828, Chandra Broadwater can be reached at cbroadwater@sptimes.com or (813) 661-2454.


Options if you have negative equity

What should a homeowner with negative equity do?

It may be tempting to let your home go into foreclosure or try to unload it in a lender-approved short sale, but most experts caution against those actions. Both a foreclosure and a short sale present a 300 point hit to your credit score.

The upside to a short sale is that it you may be approved for another home loan within two years, whereas it takes six years to be approved after a foreclosure. Before making any decisions, you should call your lender.

Among the loan modifications that could be offered:

Repayment plan: You may be able to get an agreement to resume making your regular monthly payments, plus a portion of the past due payments each month, until you are caught up.

Forbearance: Your lender may allow you to reduce or suspend payments for a short time and then agree to another option to bring your loan current, either by adding the balance to the principal or paying a portion of the past due balance each month.

Mortgage modification: If you can make payments on your loan but don't have enough money to bring your account current or you can't afford your current payment, your lender may be able to change the terms of your original loan by adding the missed payments to the existing loan balance, changing the interest rate or extending the number of years you have to repay.

Source: City of St. Petersburg and msnmoney.com.


[Last modified: Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM]



Comments on this article
by H Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM
I am fortunate to have been able to buy a house at the beginning of 1999. I still have equity and a job. I didn't keep up with the Jones. My home is small, but affordable. I feel bad for the innocent people that bought during the height of the market
by James Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM
Absolutely no sympathy for these speculators and the poor who had no business getting a mortgage loan. Simple solution: foreclose then let residents come back and RENT "their" homes, like they should've in the first place.
by Pete Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM
Just bought a place in St. Pete. Great place and time to buy and invest.
by E Oct 17, 2008 11:31 AM
Looks like more situations of irresponsible homeowners! Take out loans to pay bills and now want someone to bail you out...
by Lea Oct 16, 2008 5:09 PM
1st-I'm totally against giving banks and Wall St guys this bailout money. 2nd-I'm also against helping "mainstreet"-'cause what that really means is helping people who got loans they couldn't afford! I get nothing for being responsible and frugal!!
by don'tbailthemout Oct 16, 2008 4:49 PM
Sold my home in '03, bought a new one in '03, on fixed rate when arm's were starting to be the rage. I READ the fine print and knew that it would have neg. amortization. Too bad others didn't do homework. Too bad, now pay the price.Not my problem.
by Donna Oct 16, 2008 4:36 PM
I still like Whoopi Goldberg's idea best. Give everyone who initiated a mortgage between 2003-2008 a 25% principal reduction to make up for all the mortgage FRAUD that has been perpetrated upon the American public by the financial industry!
by Hallie Oct 16, 2008 4:28 PM
I don't know how we'll ever own a home. When saving money gets harder in these times, and for a 150k house (how many decent homes in that range are there?) you'll pay $1500 a month. Hard for young families to get a start!
by Honor Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Debbie, you are whining. Take the high road. Pay your debts and never mind those who refuse to, move to Florida thinking they are getting a free ride. Why did they come here? Did you ask yourself that?
by Honor Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Looks like most are on the same page about personal responsibility. Good column this time. Not everyone is ready financially for a home. Look at the brown lawn guy. I felt sorry for the HOA and the judge, not this new "squatter" who felt entitled
by Slow Joe Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
The "300 point hit" to credit rating is pure fiction. I'm a broker and have seen clients who only took a 40 pt hit after a short sale. 300 sounds like a made up number by someone who didn't research. Someone with 680 credit will NOT fall to 380.
by Paul Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
I have pity for those who lost their jobs through no fault of their own,however those mortgage brokers and Realtors who failed to advise their clients against over spending have to take some blame. Their greed has hurt many families Shame on them.
by bill Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Let me see if I understand the Outlaw's situation. They buy a house that they afford then borrow another 98K and now they can't even pay the initial mortgage. Boo hoo you should have bought a 2500sf house and lived within your means.
by JT Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Some may have gotten into this by some bad luck/circumstances. Most by greed. This has happened before and will happen again. No one seems to learn.
by Kim Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Kelly made money on fliping and lost a little on one. That is the way business goes. He know that. At least he owns his own home and not begging.
by Kim Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM
Now Darryl pays rent at two places. And he travels back and foreth. He does not fit the plan for help.
by Kim Oct 16, 2008 11:29 AM
Darryl problem is not the value of his home. He would end up like this no matter what he did. He was making good money and he spent every dime of it. Not only that high living he barrowed on the house. High living.
by ed Oct 15, 2008 7:17 PM
CALM DOWN VALUES WILL RETURN THEY ALWAYS DO
by Carol Oct 15, 2008 6:59 PM
Greed, overspending, & bad decisions are the problem in most cases. If out of work, stop being picky & take any job. Maybe not what you want to do/salary you want, but a job is a job. A friend owns a daycare & has had NO applicants for an $8/hr job
by Lisa Oct 15, 2008 6:58 PM
What the flipper fails to say is how much he made before the condo conversion. I bet it was enough to cover his condo loss. Buying & selling homes (flipping)is a business the key is not to get greedy and see the downturn comming!
by Biff Oct 15, 2008 6:57 PM
Wake up people, Obama plans to do the same thing as McCain. Either schmuck that gets voted in is going to give irresponsible idiots a break and dump it on the taxpayers...
by OC Oct 15, 2008 6:55 PM
I am glad to read here the same type of comments I would give. That said, how come we still hear about so many people expecting a life saver on this bailout when everyone's against it? Let's all pay our investment, and suck it up - it WILL level.
by Jay Oct 15, 2008 6:53 PM
Some say you don't care and let them suffer. But this mess is bringing down our entire financial system. We will all suffer if our money is worthless and you have to barter for food and water. Saying it's not YOUR problem is also selfish and greedy.
by Cheryl Oct 15, 2008 6:53 PM
No pity here. These people drove up prices expecting to cash in and make a bundle on their retirement funds. They deserve what they got.
by The Colonel Oct 15, 2008 5:08 PM
People who owe more than their house is worth are realizing it is best to purchase a second house of equivalent quality with lower payments while their credit is in tact, then walk away from the first house...the start of an explosion in foreclosings
by SML Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
At least Mr. Kelly admitted he was greedy. What about the others. Fess up.
by EP Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
It's hard to feel bad for some of these people, especially the "Flippers" - people that tried to take advantage of the wave only to make a buck. You gambled... and lost. Stop crying and suck it up.
by Ron Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
Debbie; you keep paying your mortgage, just as you would with your car which if you look back in history; they always dump in value, putting you upside down, when you drive from the dealer. At least I believe the housing market will come back one day
by Jon Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
You should never rely on what Zillow or any of the online estimators come up with. These along with the other crazy computer estimators that many loans were based on is a big reason for the financial mess we are in.
by Snoz Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
If lenders had not flood the market with high risk loans, flipped them up into the world market as securities, and made out like bandits on fees, there would not be an overglut of homes in foreclosure. This is about irresponsible massive lending.
by Anne Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
Mike, you are like the people who refuse to watch the news becuase they don't want to hear bad news. The Times doesn't create the news; good or bad they just report it. Don't be an ostrich with your head in the sand.
by Rick Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
Yet another story on folks gambling with their home equity. In each of these cases, once again, they lose, only because they gambled and lost. Hell, the Outlaws home is worth 50K more than they paid for it, had they not squandered their equity away.
by Sue Oct 15, 2008 3:09 PM
Mike I agree with you on doomsayer SPT. They love all the dirty slimy stuff don't they. A little piece of America dies each day with these tough times for one and all.
by JT Oct 14, 2008 7:05 PM
Almost everyone with an automobile loan is upside down. Are they all turning them in? Of course not and neither will all of these people upside down in houses. These people bid prices up now they have to suck it up. Sensationalizing this is wrong.
by Mike Oct 14, 2008 7:02 PM
I'm so sick of the St. Pete Times endless articles about our bad real estate situation. They seem to take great pleasure in being such doomsayers. How about the occasional positive article about how to turn things around?
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