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Why skirt the issue? Ladies rule in trousers

By Sue Carlton, Times columnist
In print: Wednesday, August 13, 2008


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Though we've seen much progress since those you've-come-a-long-way-baby days, women still don't earn what men do, nor will we see a person of our gender making president just yet.

But consider this small but symbolic milestone via your local courthouse: Pants. Women lawyers and judges can wear pants proudly and without fear of repercussion.

Maybe you've heard law schools are graduating as many women as men these days (and, an interesting aside, that veterinary schools have many more women than men.) On the home front, women occupy a third of the judicial bench in Hillsborough and are closing in on that number in Pinellas and Pasco.

Particularly notable judicial genderwise this election cycle: Hillsborough stands to elect as many as five new female circuit judges. Three races are nothing but women; who will likely wear pants.

By now you young professionals out there in your Ann Taylor trousers of varying shades of navy and gray are laughing, or at least thinking this absurd. Of course you wear pants without worry.

It was not always so. "I remember as an attorney just shortly before I took the bench," says Hillsborough Circuit Judge Barbara Fleischer, about to retire after 23 years. "A juror commented afterward, 'I did what you wanted me to do, but you shouldn't have worn pants.' "

Pantsuits on professional women were new, different and, apparently, scary.

Partly this had to be convention: Dressy meant dresses, or at least skirted suits, though why pants would be more casual on a woman than a man is a puzzle. Women sometimes wore suits with giant, floppy bows tied at the necks of their blouses in, apparently, the feminine approximation of a tie as well as one ugly moment in fashion history.

Susan Bucklew remembers twenty-something years back when she was teaching newbie judges telling them pants in court were not a good idea. "I guess we're all a product of our time," she says now, laughing, because having climbed to the rank of U.S. District Court judge, she wears pretty much what she pleases.

Back then, pull on a pair of pants like a man and you could just be making a statement. And maybe you didn't want a jury to judge you by whatever they thought your pants were saying.

"Back when there were very few of us, that's what they used to call us — the skirts," says Hillsborough Circuit Judge Debra Behnke, finishing her 20th year on the bench.

"I can tell you it took a long time for lawyers, particularly the guy lawyers, to feel comfortable talking to us women about other things besides cases," she says. "With me, it was a little bit easier, because I fish."

Ancient history, right? Twelve years back, lawyer Tracy Sheehan found herself apologizing to a jury for standing before them in pants, which she wore only because pantyhose — surely the world's most mean-spirited joke on women — were not possible because she had a burn on her leg. "Went so well, I kept wearing them," says Sheehan, now a circuit judge.

These days, as courthouse lore goes, a woman on the judicial ballot has an edge on a man, since voters tend to know less about those candidates, and what sets you apart is good. Whomever we elect, bet they'll be putting their pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us.



[Last modified: Aug 14, 2008 05:24 PM]



Comments on this article
by chris Aug 14, 2008 5:24 PM
Up with skirts, down with pants...Did I just say that?
by Don Aug 14, 2008 11:16 AM
Wear a shirt and tie too girls and we'll call it even. Thanks for the enlightening story! Not
by Brian Aug 14, 2008 11:16 AM
Back to pantyhose I say! What's wrong with women still being women AND successful, powerful and well paid.
by CAT Aug 14, 2008 11:16 AM
And who cares this is STUPID
by Jerry Aug 13, 2008 8:16 PM
Great they can dress like men. Can they also scratch their crouch and say moth--fu now. Isn't it great being a female these days. You think it's not importent. The unintended consequences won't show until years later, than you won't even realize them
by Arnold Aug 13, 2008 7:37 PM
Jeff,Deb,Ms,Ronnie,Aqua, yuck. And none of us speak for God, but I'm convinced God cares about your character and actions, not your clothes. Extremists either side? BLEEAGH! Men are programmed to like cleavage by "Nature", so babies will be made.
by Frank Aug 13, 2008 3:21 PM
Well Jeff, There's little wonder that women who have the misfortune of dealing with you and your archaic ideas will be complaining.
by Deborah Aug 13, 2008 2:36 PM
Jeff says "women will forever be complaining" and "women don't understand their roles"...MISOGYNISTS LOVE THE OLD TESTAMENT.
by Arnold Aug 13, 2008 2:11 PM
Would "Femlaw" et al approve if in title, "Ladies" was repl. by "Men"? WHO'S sexist? 1st para proves what? Jobs are competitive! Compete! One q. is why "Ladies" need to "rule"! "Rulers" suck as people, regardless of gender. Sue hunts for notoriety?
by ms Aug 13, 2008 2:08 PM
Who cares? Here is how women should dress. Fat, ugly and old women should wear pants. Hot, young, in shape women should wear skirts, and the shorter the better. Show off those legs ladies.
by Jeff Aug 13, 2008 2:02 PM
I could care less about this article. Women will FOREVER be complaining about something. If not about pants, jobs they are not getting, PMS, there will be something. The problem today is most men and women don't understand their roles or ignore them.
by Mary Aug 13, 2008 1:46 PM
<i>must women that choose to 'dress' that way are purely ignorant of the consequences.</i> Ronnie - I can see where such a Misogynist comment is headed...what are the "consequences"?! YOUR thoughts & actions are a female's responsibility?!
by Tom Aug 13, 2008 1:46 PM
Well I guess its a slow news day down at the times. Professional Women in pants? Thats news? I guess the Bush bashers, the America haters and the white males are pigs commentators are taking the day off!
by Caroline Aug 13, 2008 1:32 PM
Jeff, why don't you complain about cleavage? God wants us to be good people, modest and humble.
by Mary Aug 13, 2008 1:32 PM
Lisa - awesome point!!!
by Jeff Aug 13, 2008 1:32 PM
Great, here comes all the religious and bible freaks to tell us that their book is the absolute last word when it comes to everything in life and society.
by C.J. Aug 13, 2008 1:31 PM
Jeff, what, pray tell, IS "men's clothing"??? Layers of robes and sandals?
by Lucy Aug 13, 2008 1:31 PM
Interesting- when other religions demand women dress, act or work differently than men, they're deemed mysogonistic or sexist, which is true. But when OUR 2000 year old rulebook says to do it, the same people say it's great! Faith by cafeteria plan!
by Mary Aug 13, 2008 1:31 PM
The only thing more stupid than this article is Jeff's comment. Hey, Jeff, "the LORD" wore robes as many men in the Middle East still do. You apparantly missed the turn of the century, er, centuries.
by ginny Aug 13, 2008 1:31 PM
last time I wore a skirt was to a wedding and that was 2 years ago, who cares what u wear as long as it's not your birthday suit.
by Arnold Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM
How about giving us the opportunity to read ALL the comments, not just the last 8-10. Control issues?
by Becky Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM
What difference does it make? Pants or Skirts? As long a justice prevails, who cares? Scottish men wear kilts! Does God detest that, Jeff?? Too much concern wasted here. Good taste is always in style. Worry more about child and elderly abuse.
by Anon Lawyer Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM
The unfortunate truth behind the fact that women are dominating men on the judicial ballots is that judicial pay hasn't kept pace with lawyer pay. Women are more willing to take a pay cut for a public service position than men - or the men's wives.
by Lisa Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
Jeff- supposedly, God also detests anyone who eats pork, shrimp or lobster, wears blended fabrics, or goes near women when they are in cycle. He totally hates people who work on Sundays, men who shave their beards and many more. What's your point?
by Randy Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
What dribble.... Obviously another slow news day....
by Rachel Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
Back in the Bible days, everyone wore robes.How could you tell between men's robes and women's robes? Apply the same logic to pants. Or should we all still be wearing robes? Jeff, do you also beat your wife? Many legalists do.
by Ronnie Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
I agree with Jeff. However, must women that choose to 'dress' that way are purely ignorant of the consequences. Mercy is at hand, hopefully.
by Sarah Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
Jeff, if I bought my pants at Ann Taylor (women's clothing store), wouldn't that be defined as women's clothing?!
by Femlaw Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM
And people like Jeff are why many women who are lawyers (including myself) never take a chance on wearing pants in court - you never know who on your jury (or which of your judges) still has outdated attitudes. And that's why this is still a story.
by Aquaserpent Aug 13, 2008 9:45 AM
So why is this a story, she is refering to events a decade ago at the latest.
by Jeff Mikres Aug 13, 2008 9:45 AM
The Bible says woman are not to wear mens clothing. Deuteronomy 22:5. 5A woman must not wear men?s clothing, nor a man wear women?s clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
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