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By
Ron Matus, Times Staff Writer
In print: Monday, March 31, 2008
Student Betsy Gunn discusses ethics in her nursing class Tuesday at St. Petersburg College in Pinellas Park. SPC offers 20 bachelor’s degree programs, including nursing, and plans more.
Paul Valentine and the other college students in Room 209 don't have a football team to root for. Or a sticky-floored bar across the street that offers Thursday night drink specials. But don't let that fool you.
They may be the face of the future for higher education in Florida.
Valentine, a registered nurse from Seminole, is earning a bachelor's degree in nursing at St. Petersburg College, a community college long associated with two-year degrees. He could have pursued the same degree at the University of South Florida, but SPC was closer, cheaper and more convenient. And as far as he's concerned, there's no question about quality.
"I feel like we get a better education here," Valentine, 25, said last week during a break in class at the Caruth Health Education Center in Pinellas Park.
Under a potentially sweeping plan gaining steam in the Legislature, more community colleges could start offering bachelor's degrees to students like Valentine. And if they do, they'll be using St. Petersburg College as the model.
SPC had no bachelor's degree programs in 2001. Now it has 20, with five more on the way.
This spring, 2,700 students are enrolled in them.
"The closest thing there is to a state college in Florida is St. Pete College," said state Rep. Joe Pickens, R-Palatka, chairman of the House Schools & Learning Council and a top supporter of the idea.
The notion in a nutshell: Convert Florida's 28 community colleges into "state colleges." Let them continue offering two-year degrees, with an emphasis on local work force needs. But allow some of them to morph into hybrids that offer bachelor's degrees, too, especially in high-needs areas like teaching and nursing.
The payoff: More Florida students getting four-year degrees. Less strain on the state university system. And, thanks to tuition that is 30 percent lower than state universities, big savings to students and taxpayers.
The idea of a new tier in Florida higher education isn't new. Different versions have been floating around for years. But the latest appears to have solid support.
Gov. Charlie Crist has offered encouragement, as has Mark Rosenberg, chancellor of the state university system. Last week, the Senate version of the plan won unanimous support from Democrats and Republicans on the Senate higher education committee and a nod of approval from all 28 community college presidents.
"We're in a transition state in how we do higher education in Florida," said state Sen. Charlie Justice, D-St. Petersburg.
"It's an easier incentive to turn a community college to offering bachelor's degrees than to get a university" to shift attention away from producing more doctorates, he said.
That isn't to say the idea is free of concerns.
One is context: The proposal for a state college system comes in the midst of a bruising battle over the future of the state university system. The Legislature and the Florida Board of Governors are fighting in court over which entity has the power to set tuition. And lawmakers led by Senate President Ken Pruitt, R-Port St. Lucie, are pushing hard for a constitutional amendment that would strip the board of much of its independence.
Then there's quality: Community colleges still suffer from a perception that they aren't as academically rigorous as traditional four-year institutions. And many people assume educational value hinges on cost. The nursing programs at USF and SPC are both fully accredited, but a full class load for a bachelor's at USF is $1,730 per semester, compared to $1,214 at SPC.
Also, there's turf: Currently, eight community colleges together offer a smattering of bachelor's degrees. But if more get into the game and the process to establish new degrees is streamlined, some observers fear they will step on university toes.
"There's always that potential," Justice said. "That's where the (higher education) system and the Legislature will have to maintain some oversight."
The Legislature gave SPC authority to offer bachelor's degrees in 2001.
Nearly half of the college's bachelor's degree programs are in teaching. But SPC has quietly expanded into other areas, including banking, dental hygiene, and orthotics and prosthetics. SPC officials say they have talked with their USF counterparts before proceeding with any of them and will continue to do so in the future.
"Every one of the programs is off the charts," said SPC president Carl Kuttler Jr. "It's been one of the most successful ventures in higher ed in America."
In 2004, SPC awarded 123 bachelor's degrees. Last year, it awarded 517.
The bachelor's in nursing has been especially successful, with 560 students currently enrolled, up from 138 five years ago.
On Tuesday, 25 of them were in Room 209 of the health education center.
Laptops, Starbucks, a professor with a Ph.D. — it could have been a college class anywhere.
Then again, the students' average age was 35. The vast majority were working full time. And it was obvious from the back and forth that they were not the remedial students so often tied to the image of community colleges or the fresh-faced students at more traditional colleges who often lack life and work experience.
"Our job is to do no harm and to do right," one student said during a discussion on ethics that ranged from end-of-life care to sleeping with patients.
Josie Drago, 49, a home health care nurse, said she wants to get her bachelor's in nursing so she could then move on to a master's degree and a job as a nurse practitioner.
The Clearwater resident said she considered USF but thought twice when told she would need to take several refresher courses in science, since it had been a decade since she took any.
"I asked, 'What part of the human anatomy has changed in the past 10 years?' " she said.
SPC only required she take one refresher course, she said.
Another big factor: "Money," she said, rubbing her fingers together in the air.
Many details about the proposed state college system have yet to be worked out, including the process for establishing new degree programs, the academic and geographic gaps that need to be filled, and a funding model.
The Senate bill would create a task force to recommend answers by 2009. It also calls for a pilot project with three community colleges: Indian River, Okaloosa-Walton and SPC.
In one form or another, a new tier in higher education that uses SPC as a model "will come to pass," Kuttler said. "The question is how."
Ron Matus can be reached at matus@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8873.
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Comments on this article
by Cheryl
Apr 3, 2008 11:16 AM
SPC ia an amazing college. I went to college right after I graduated from high school 20 years ago - HATED IT! Now I am taking online classes for my AA in Busn Mgmt and I am having a wonderful time. SPC continued success!
by Kathy G :-)
Apr 3, 2008 7:57 AM
At 6, not 12 credits ea. term, my BS will be an 8-yr degree & that's OK. Resulting in an AS degree in HIM & in HC Informatics AND a BS in Interdisciplinary H&H Services. Thanks to SPC's affordability & convenience! Livi
by Mixalis
Apr 2, 2008 6:19 AM
SPC is an amazing college. The Art program in the mid to late 90's At the Clearwater location was Florida's best kept secret in my opinion. My life is way more interesting because of SPC.
Continued success!
by Jess
Apr 2, 2008 6:17 AM
I am from St. Petersburg, but I currently attend University of North Florida. I heard that the nursing program here is great...plus UNF is one of the cheapest big universities in Florida.
by Missy
Apr 1, 2008 3:19 PM
Please add a BA in Accounting to your offerings.
by jim
Apr 1, 2008 3:11 PM
i attended spjc in 1991-94, received a 2 yr degree and went to UCF. i gos my bs and workrd a while. i re-enrolled in 04 for my RN. what a great school it has become. the program is really doing something right. awesome for locals w/out
by Alex
Apr 1, 2008 1:37 PM
SPC graduates will never be taken as seriously as university graduates. BUT, maybe this can eliminate the sham for-profit online "schools" like University of Phoenix and Strayer.
by We all know Kuttler
Apr 1, 2008 9:55 AM
Oh Yes! Karl Kuttler..the person who actually believed the Queen of England would come at his invitation to celebrate SPJCs anniversary.
Kuttler succeeds with help of his political cronies. He costs tax payers a bundle then brags about his success!
by James
Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM
Too many times our money is wasted by the politicians. It's good to see the comm colleges offering more. who cares if the univ. gets their toes stepped on their always asking for more $$ yet make thousands on football games, shirts, caps, etc.
by Rob
Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM
Hoo-rah for SPC! As a instructor here, and as a lifetime resident of Pinellas County (1973 - 1992; 2006 - current) I have joyfully seen SPC grow into NATIONAL ACCLAIM, and even have two SUCCESSFUL family members who wer
by lisa
Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM
All this change costs money. Why didn't you ask Kuttler why he is only renewing employee contracts for 3 months? He gets all the national attention while his employees are stressed to know if they have jobs.
by jake
Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM
It's never easy to obtain a four year degree from a regionally accredited college. The value of the degree is in the education received, and the more educated people we have, the better off we all are.
by Melissa
Apr 1, 2008 9:53 AM
Hey Robert, what do you mean? The more educated one is the better society becomes. Or are you threatened by the higher degrees? In 10 years the BSN will be the entrance level for all nurses.
by Joshu Jones
Apr 1, 2008 9:53 AM
This sounds like a good move, although I'm sure tuition and teachers salaries will go up to match, so that's not a valid justifcation. I sure hope this indicates a trend away from on-line learning and degrees, which are a sham across t
by A State University Graduate
Apr 1, 2008 9:52 AM
I can only hope that they raise their admission standards. SPC has a reputation for accepting anyone with a certificate. While their older students are motivated, their FTIC's are often incapable of writing in complete sentences. I tutor them
by Libby
Apr 1, 2008 9:52 AM
Robert, I disagree. They are not making that classes easier just more affordable. We don't all have 100 grand to spend on education, but we do have the brains to make it work.
by John
Apr 1, 2008 9:52 AM
The academic material is 1st class and the instructors knowledge of material and presentation says it all. They not only know the material but they care about the students efforts and assist them in attaining the knowledge necessary for success
by Jeff
Apr 1, 2008 9:51 AM
Robert, no one said it was easy. This idea makes sense. I earned my English Ed. degree from FSU and know people in SPC's program. There is no difference in the intensity.
by Rick
Mar 31, 2008 2:50 PM
Maybe the average "Joe" can afford to attend higher eductional institutes now. Maybe the average "Jane" will obtain a better degree without all the hype of universities. Just maybe Florida is on to something.
by Robert
Mar 31, 2008 2:42 PM
The easier it becomes to attain a four-year degree, the more worthless those degrees will become.
by Local Principal
Mar 31, 2008 2:38 PM
I can let you know that as a principal of an Elem. School in North Pinellas I give SPC accolades. They have consistently turned out some of the best prepared teachers that I have come across. I am always happy to have their graduates in my school.
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