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Despite passing FCAT, most PHCC students need remedial courses

By Tom Marshall, Times Staff Writer
In print: Sunday, September 28, 2008


According to state data, more than 60 percent of students graduating from Hernando County schools are required to take remedial classes upon entering community college. Pasco graduates do a little better, with just under 50 percent needing remedial classes.
According to state data, more than 60 percent of students graduating from Hernando County schools are required to take remedial classes upon entering community college. Pasco graduates do a little better, with just under 50 percent needing remedial classes.
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You pass the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, earn a diploma and head off to college. No sweat, right?

Not so fast.

Despite years of work to raise students' basic skills on the FCAT and improve graduation rates, a majority of the degree-seeking students who arrive at Florida community colleges are failing to pass their college placement tests in all subjects.

"I think it's a misperception that (the FCAT) is at the college level," said Timothy Beard, vice president of student development and enrollment management at Pasco-Hernando Community College. "It's not."

In 2006, the most recent year for which state data is available, more Florida students passed the College Entry-Level Placement Test (CPT) in math, reading and writing than at any point since 2001.

But those 19,020 community college students were just over 43 percent of the total. Statewide, more than 26,000 of their peers were deemed unready for college work and placed in zero-credit remedial courses.

While Pasco County students did better than the state average that year, with 50.7 percent passing the CPT in all three subjects at PHCC, just 39.8 percent of Hernando students did so. Central High students in Hernando passed at a 36.7 percent rate, while 32.7 percent of Nature Coast Technical High students did so.

At Springstead High, 43.9 percent of students passed all sections of the CPT that year, as did 44.3 percent of students at Hernando High.

Entrance requirements at four-year schools are stiffer, so students attending schools such as the University of South Florida or Florida State University typically pass the CPT at rates of 90 percent or better. Students can also place directly into college courses if they earn a minimum score on the SAT or ACT test.

But the challenge remains daunting at the community college level, and district and college officials in both counties have embarked upon a new push to raise those scores, with additional testing and courses to prepare college-bound students.

Starting this year, school districts across Florida must be prepared to give the college placement test to all college-bound high school juniors who earn a 3 or 4 on the five-point FCAT. Students who don't pass are entitled to remedial classes to prepare them for college, under new regulations passed last spring by the state Legislature.

In Pasco, officials are planning to administer the CPT to about 3,500 juniors, said curriculum supervisor Michael Cloyd.

Students who earn a passing score of 3 on the FCAT are often surprised when they fail the college placement test, he said.

"They passed (the FCAT), so they're thinking they did all right, but we want to make sure," Cloyd said. "The 4's have a pretty good likelihood of being successful. It's the level 3's that I'm most concerned about."

The district is developing a remedial math course just for college-bound students. And it is working to get the word out that students really do need to take college-prep courses if they're planning on going to college.

At Central High in Hernando, guidance counselors have begun raising the volume on that message.

"We lecture them," said Pat Barton, a guidance counselor at Central. "We don't start in the senior year; we start in the freshman year. We tell them, 'You have to be able to pass tests to do college work.'

"But they don't all listen," she added.

Nationally, community college students face an uphill battle compared with their counterparts at four-year schools, said Kay McClenney, director of the Community College Survey of Student Engagement at the University of Texas-Austin. They're more likely to come from low-income or minority backgrounds, she said, and they need more support.

"Many of them don't believe they truly belong there, but they're taking a chance on you and the college," she said.

"Fourteen percent of students who start community college never earn a credit," McClenney added. "Only about 41 percent of degree-seeking students obtain anything within six years."

Beard, the PHCC vice president, said he has often wished that K-12 districts would do a more thorough job of teaching students about careers and what they will need to succeed in college.

"Either (students) are not informed, or they're informed but it doesn't quite register what courses they'll need in college," he said.

But Hernando superintendent Wayne Alexander said many in the K-12 world are frustrated by what they perceive as a lack of accountability in higher education.

"One of the things the state has yet to do is define what college readiness is," he said, wishing aloud for a state testing system that would encompass post-secondary education. "It really boils down to who's going to hold the professors accountable."

Until that happens, Alexander plans to begin the college-preparation efforts even earlier than the state requires.

"What I want to do as soon as possible is put in a ninth-grade test," he said.

"What good is a test in 11th grade? That's a little late, don't you think?"

Tom Marshall can be reached at tmarshall@sptimes.com or (352) 848-1431.


College-level testing

Percentage of local students who pass all placement tests
at Pasco-Hernando Community College:



Hernando


Pasco
State average
(community
colleges)
2006 39.8 50.7 43.3
2005 34.5 41.8 36.4
2004 43.1 42.2 42.7
2003 35.7 31.5 35.5


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Comments on this article
by P.S. Sep 29, 2008 3:41 PM
Perhaps Wayne should send us students who can compose a basic sentence. How'd that be for defining "college-ready"?
by Dave Sep 29, 2008 3:40 PM
The problem is teachers are presured to prepare students for fcat test to make school look good for the state. Guess what,Students are not being tested,TEACHERS ARE !!!!!!!!
by George Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
I teach "remedial" classes at PHCC. For many (over traditional age or returning to school after a long time out), they ARE "refresher" courses. Sadly not so for high shchool grads who lack basic skills. What's more, they could care less.
by jennifer Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
it's not only occuring at PHCC, it's at all community colleges for you to take these placement tests and if you dont pass them, you have to take refresher courses. the majority in those classes are people who are all ages above 18.
by Tuck Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
Why pay school taxes. It doesn't seem to work with FCAT or without FCAT. It's the goverments fault. Home school and don't pay school taxes.
by Timmy! Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
When no one can fail or be held back until they learn the content, what do we expect? Until everyone is ready to take a stand on performance and authentic assessment this will continue.
by vocationalisforsome Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
Someone has to flip the burgers....so why not the ones who don't have the cognitive ability to go to college...college isn't for everyone...go to tech school instead and charge me $100 to weld two pipes together.
by Lina Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM
As a public high school teacher, I know that students ARE told expectations for college. Many won't take Honor's courses so they won't have to do so much work. We lecture them, they don't listen. Standards raise, but expectations lower due to behavio
by Heidi Sep 29, 2008 12:25 PM
The FCAT is NOT college level. It's 10th grade level, and sophomores aren't ready to go to college. These students need to realize that school isn't over just because you passed the FCAT! Otherwise, prepare for remediation!
by Dave Sep 29, 2008 12:25 PM
Wake up people and take off "my taxes are too high" hat. This is what your years of whining about taxes has led too.
by Sparkee Sep 29, 2008 12:25 PM
I know that there are very good teachers in Hernando County, too. I wish these teachers much luck as they continue to stick to standards and expect our students to actually think critically and understand what is to be read. Thanks to the good ones!
by Sparkee Sep 29, 2008 12:25 PM
I have worked in Hern. Co. schools and there is NO academic rigor. Students are routinely passed along because of athletics or pity. Math & English teachers: you're not doing these kids any favors! It starts in elementary school & doesn't get better.
by concerned Sep 28, 2008 6:56 PM
SpringBoard doesn't have any tests, quizzes, or examinations in the English content, so just wait to see how poorly the "SpringBoard" children do when they enter college...
by Kevin Sep 28, 2008 6:46 PM
Either Alexander doesn't get it or he's up to no good. To blame this on the professors is to wander into absurdity. But to insist that the post-secondary system needs a testing system akin to the FCAT -- that's just plain evil.
by jeff Sep 28, 2008 6:42 PM
mmm...I wonder what happened in Pasco county between 2005-06. Something did to get a 9 point gain.
by Al Sep 28, 2008 1:51 PM
If you can't pass the placement test you don't belong in college.
by John Sep 28, 2008 1:51 PM
I think those numbers are hight because if you fail the placement test you have to take classes that don't count towards your degree. Translation, you will have to take more classes and that equals more money.
by Emme Sep 28, 2008 1:39 PM
Maybe the school district the ill prepared graduated from should fit the bill for sending the unprepared out with a bogus diploma
by Jim Sep 28, 2008 1:37 PM
I have friends without an education and I have tried to help their children in mathematics and sciences. The school's teaching is remedial at best and neglegent in practice.
by Jim Sep 28, 2008 1:37 PM
The FCAT is a JOKE. I am a graduate of a major college, computer science. I see my friends children and others being turned out of Florida high schools, they are NOT prepared to advance to the point of being a joke.
by Wayne Sep 28, 2008 1:35 PM
The truth is, these are REMEDIAL classes, in other words, REFRESHER classes. Much of the details of math, grammar, etc., fall out of your head if you don't use them frequently. It's not that they never learned, they merely need a reason to remember.
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