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Start times at Pinellas schools may shift in August
By
Thomas C. Tobin, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, April 24, 2008
Pinellas officials have devised a new busing plan that would significantly change start times at most schools and potentially save millions as a budget crisis bears down on the district.
The proposal would move high school start times from 7:05 a.m. to 7:30 a.m. and middle school start times from 9:45 a.m. to 9 a.m.
Most elementary schools would start at 7:30 a.m. or 9 a.m., a change from a schedule that generally has the first bell between 8:30 a.m. and 8:50 a.m.
An expensive system that sends school buses out in three waves or "tiers" would be reduced primarily to two tiers. A handful of special schools for disabled and struggling students would start at 10 a.m. as part of a small third tier.
Students attending magnet programs and career academies would get to school on "express runs" with fewer stops than normal routes, much as they do now. But a few students with extremely long bus rides — a St. Petersburg to Tarpon Springs run, for example — would be offered vouchers to pay for their own transportation, a solution allowed under state law.
Officials have dropped an earlier idea to pare costs by mixing students from different grade levels on buses.
The changes would take effect in the 2008-09 school year, which begins Aug. 19. Administrators are readying the proposal for a review by the School Board.
"I think this is going to be good news for many more families than it will be bad news," said board chairwoman Nancy Bostock, who called the proposal "definitely doable."
She said that the change in elementary start times was a "slight negative trade-off" but that the improvement for middle and high schools would be a "big net gain" for Pinellas students.
In general, start times would return to where they were before the Pinellas school choice plan, which increased busing demand and disrupted the old schedule.
Since 2003, when choice began, the district has struggled to address the resulting problems: predawn bus rides and sleepy first periods for high school students, and a late-morning start for middle schools that forces many working parents to drop off their kids too early or leave them at home unsupervised.
District officials had not expected the situation to ease for two to four years as a new system of "close-to-home" schools gradually took hold and reduced bus routes.
What happened?
According to superintendent Clayton Wilcox, the district's transportation department simply found a way after "driving harder for answers" in the face of the worsening fiscal outlook. The district expects to cut up to $40-million from its 2008-09 budget.
As the department kept working through the issue, Wilcox said, "We just haven't accepted some of the same answers."
The projected savings would come, in part, from cutting bus driver overtime costs by compressing the window of time students are transported every day, said deputy superintendent Julie Janssen.
Under the current system, the last pickups start after 4 p.m. from middle schools. The new system would push that to before 4 p.m., and high school drivers would start later in the morning.
In addition, she said, thousands of students entering the sixth and ninth grades next year will be assigned to their new close-to-home schools. That will shorten routes and reduce the number of students who get a bus ride.
The system also will respond better to the drop in demand that occurs every school year, Janssen said.
Each year, the district plans routes for about 46,000 students who are eligible for bus rides, but many do not use the service. Janssen said the district expects to save money by being more vigilant about cutting or combining routes as the drop-off occurs.
All told, officials hope to save as much as $4-million but admit it's only a target.
"They're getting it down to a science, as far as knowing where they can save money," board member Jane Gallucci said of the transportation department.
The proposal is "not ideal, but it's better than what we have," she said, suggesting that high school start times eventually should be pushed closer to 8 a.m. She also said the district might want to rotate elementary schools between the 7:30 a.m. and 9 a.m. start times out of fairness.
Board member Carol Cook said she hopes the plan will turn out to be as good as it looks on paper, especially when it comes to the cost savings.
"We have no idea what the fuel costs are going to be," she said.
Thomas C. Tobin can be reached at tobin@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8923.
Proposed times
The proposed schedules would take effect for the 2008-09 school year, which starts Aug. 19.
Elementary schools: 7:30 a.m. to 1:45 p.m. or 9 a.m. to 3:15 p.m.
Middle schools: 9 a.m. to 3:45 p.m.
High schools: 7:30 a.m. to 2 p.m.
[Last modified: Apr 28, 2008 10:18 AM]
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by S
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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So they have switched the MS start time so those kids are not unsupervised in the morning. But now, you will have Elem age students unsupervised if they get the 9 am start. Am I missing something? Or did they just shift the prob to the youngest ones?
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by Nicole
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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School Board - let's start all schools at 8:30 and end at 3:15 - parents, drive your kids to school! Take responsibility and relieve the bus issue - we all could get what we want if we assume the driving - some parents are ve
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by Susie
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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Elementary kids should not be on early start times. Why don't schools rotate start times - it isn't fair for one school to only be on the early time. Maybe that's the way the teacher's want it-what happened to what
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by Mom in Pinellas
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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Do kids that are driven to school count? We have elementary and middle school kids to get to different schools at the same time(9am?):shouldn't close-to-home schooling help to alleviate some of these busing issues?I won'
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by BBMOM
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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I like the new start times, but I'd like to know the release times? Are we actually extending the school day? Then MS will still be getting out too late. They need to be out by 3:30 at the latest.
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by Amanda
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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I think there's a lot of whining about a "proposal" if you have a problem go to the meeting and voice your opinion or better yet offer a solution. These people are just doing there job!
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by Mike
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Apr 25, 2008 8:38 AM
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Elementary-8:30am-2:45pm
Middle-8:30am-3:15pm
High School-9am-4:00pm
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by Old School Student
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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the way its suggested, the times would go back to the way it was back when I was in grade & high school which was fine for my generation. Maybe it'll do the kids some good. My class & the classes before most of us turned out to be decent
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by Tom
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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As a father, I along with my wife raised three kids. Teens need to start school later. It is their nature to stay up later and get up later. The County shoudn't go overboard but I am one who believes that this change will help most teens.
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by St Pete Mom
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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Michelle, why is your older children getting your other children ready? Whos children are they? Whos responsiblity are they? YOURS not your childrens! My son isnt going to our neighbor school. He is being bused 3 miles while the other school is 1
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by juliagill
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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I am mixed.HS needs to start later. It's bad for elementary to start that early.Little kids at a bus stop in the dark=bad idea.My child is 6 and dislikes getting up that early-it's not just teens.Neighborhood schools-no more buses
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by Frances
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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I am so tired of the elementary school aged kids at 20% if our schools being shortchanged with a ridiculous 7:40~ start time. Now it's moving back to 7:30 for some? My kids do NOT wake up naturally at 6am! Bus comes at 6:54 for a 2 mi driv
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by confused
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Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM
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How can you change the length of an employees day without new salary negotiations when there is a contract is place? Maybe the people proposing this need to get some tutoring from the MS math teachers - I'd bet they didn't realize that
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by Jessica
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Apr 24, 2008 6:29 PM
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Bonnie - last time I checked. High school starts first out of all of them. Check your facts first.
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by Response to Bonnie
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Apr 24, 2008 6:27 PM
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Bonnie - 7:05am (the current time) is way too early for high school. I agree with preparing them for the work force, but not many people work a 7-4 shift. I believe 8-5 is pretty standard.
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by 2005 graduate
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Apr 24, 2008 6:27 PM
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Most high school students get little sleep when they have to wake up at 6am to prepare for a 7:05 start time. This new schedule is a slight improvement and will hopefully reduce the amount of sleeping in class (Oh yes, teachers DO let it happen
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by CK
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Apr 24, 2008 6:25 PM
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Bonnie, as others said, it has been shown that older students perform better later in the morning. School is NOT for preparing kids for the workforce, it is for education. If you want workforce training, make sure to let your officials know.
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by Dawn
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Apr 24, 2008 6:24 PM
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There will never be a solution to please all, but having my 15 year old daughter at the bus stop at 6 AM now for high school in the dark sure isn't the safest answer! And yes she does go to her neighborhood school now, that is the normal bus ti
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by Michelle
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Apr 24, 2008 6:18 PM
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One question that I don't see addressed here - What about the many of hundreds if not thousands of High school students who are responsible for getting elementary school children off the bus, when elementary is dismissed before High school?
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by Helen
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Apr 24, 2008 5:45 PM
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Mohommed, you talk crap. The less cars are the road the better for all drivers, less congestion, less pollution, lower fuel usage. You must be a real Floridurrrian.
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by schoolrules
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Apr 24, 2008 5:45 PM
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HIGH SCHOOL needs to START at 8 AM,or even LATER,NO EARLIER!Middle should start NO LATER than 8:30,and elem. should START at 7:45.Better yet,go back to the good ole'days-8Am to 3PM for ALL students,55 min for lunch,ample time to go to locke
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by Tired of Teachers Always Complaining!
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Apr 24, 2008 5:45 PM
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"Administrators are readying the proposal for a review by the School Board." Maybe the teachers will hear about it once it actually is APPROVED by the Board. You should find something else to whine about!
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by Louise
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Apr 24, 2008 5:44 PM
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It's mentioned briefly that "Special Schools" will start at 10; that's too late! My son won't make it home til after 5pm! Why do kids w/disabilites get pushed off til last? They have enough to overcome w/out having to re
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by Amanda
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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It upsets me that I have to find out about changes to my work schedule through the newspaper. It also upsets me that that I must start work 45 min earlier but only get out 20 min earlier. Am I going to get paid for my time Oh yeah I forgot were broke
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by Joe
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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Ron move on with wilcox. He will not be missed by anyone other than the techers who can not teach to kids anyway.
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by jen
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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It would be impossible to please everyone. Growing up, we went to nearby schools and combined all grades so the bus just had a route, dropped off from elem then lastly high school
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by Mohommed
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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Bonnie: You don't get it, teenagers are pre-wored to stay up late and sleep later, little kids are not. The start times for high school just need to be set back. Busing is bad for all, why can't parents drive their kids?
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by minnie
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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I agreed with this when I first heard it at the ms teacher mtg.Then it was stated that ms would start at 8:30 not 9.I dont like elem starting at 9- we should keep it at 8:45 or so. The 9 start time will make a big diff when transp comes into pl
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by pinellas teacher
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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When are the exact times for each school going to be announced? I am a teacher in the district and would like to be able to make arrangements for my kids on or before August 19th. You would think the employees involved would have the information.
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by Amanda
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Apr 24, 2008 12:21 PM
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Bonnie-
High school starts at 7:05. Elementary starts at 8:30. How is 8:30 earlier than 7:05? Is this some new form of telling time?
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by WEW
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Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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"Largo Teacher," what are you doing reading a newspaper at 9:24 am. Where are your students or why aren't you preparing for their return? If you're so concerned about the district, log off and help show improvement in the students
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by Michelle
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Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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Great-High school at 7:30 is ok,8 is better. Middle is just right,they can get ready on their own they are big kids now. Elem at 7:30,parents can get them on the bus and be at work on time. I went from 8:20-3:20 This schedule is a compromis
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by justin
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Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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this is the same schedule in the Pasco county district and the schedule is pretty good
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by Lin
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Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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Bonnie - studies have consistently shown that kids, particularly teens, perform poorly in the early am. Shouldn't their best educational interests be the determining factor?
How are they going to determine which elem schools get the ear
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by Laurie
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Apr 24, 2008 12:18 PM
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7:30 for elementary. Isn't anyone concerned about the younger kids waiting at a bus stop or walking to school that early? This change would also mean these kids are having to get up at 6:15 or earlier. There has to be a better solution.
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