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Should pay rise at poor schools?

By Ron Matus, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, October 9, 2008


Chris Boulanger, a.k.a. “Mr. B,” leads a numbers game with his fifth-grade class at Eisenhower Elementary School recently. Boulanger, 28, said higher pay for teaching in a poor school wouldn’t make a difference to him.
Chris Boulanger, a.k.a. “Mr. B,” leads a numbers game with his fifth-grade class at Eisenhower Elementary School recently. Boulanger, 28, said higher pay for teaching in a poor school wouldn’t make a difference to him.
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CLEARWATER — Before class begins, a stream of smiling brown faces ripples through the foyer at Eisenhower Elementary. Kids with chirpy accents walk with purpose, past portraits of George Washington and Gen. Dwight Eisenhower and an American flag as big as a dinner table.

Thirty minutes later, an animated Chris Boulanger rolls a pair of dice to start a numbers game for his fifth-graders. "Mr. B" announces the results in two languages.

"Eight."

"Ocho."

Half of the students at Eisenhower are Hispanic. Many speak English as a second language. More often than not, that's a recipe for poor performance.

But if Eisenhower's recent track record is any indication, its students will make steady progress this year. And for that, a growing number of education experts say its teachers should make more money than their peers in more affluent schools.

"We do work harder," said Liz Wiszowaty, a special education teacher at Eisenhower.

At issue is "differential pay."

Teachers tend to like it. Teachers unions tend not to. And because so few states or school districts have tried it in a meaningful way, nobody really knows whether it will make a difference. But given the potentially dire effects that high teacher turnover has on student achievement, there is growing consensus among researchers and policy experts that it is worth trying.

"The logic is pretty compelling," said Robert Gordon, a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress, who has researched teacher quality and pay. "Anything you can do to encourage good teachers to teach in poor schools is a good thing. And pay is one important piece."

Boulanger, 28, said more money wouldn't make a difference to him. But he offered conditional support for the concept.

"My heart sinks" for high turnover schools, he said. "If more money would retain teachers, then you know what? That might be the best thing."

For decades, teacher pay — which averages $46,844 in Pinellas — has hinged on years on the job and academic degree. But factoring performance and difficulty into the mix is being pushed like never before.

State education leaders are quietly exploring the idea of grafting differential pay on to existing bonus programs. And in Pinellas, new superintendent Julie Janssen has aired the possibility of bonuses for teachers in high-needs schools.

There are no details on either front. But Eisenhower may be the type of school they're thinking about: Last year it was 48 percent Hispanic, 72 percent minority and 80 percent eligible for free or reduced-price lunch.

"I have kids wake themselves up, feed themselves, get themselves to school," Boulanger said. Some get their younger siblings ready, too. "For 10- or 11-year-old kids, that's the world on their shoulders."

Though it's rarely reported or discussed at the district level, such schools often have high teacher turnover, with veterans migrating to lower poverty schools and less-effective rookies taking their place.

A recent Times review found that 62 percent of Pinellas teachers who transferred over the summer went to lower poverty schools. Meanwhile, 73 percent of middle and elementary school teachers who asked to move were in high poverty schools.

Eisenhower is bucking the trend. Last year, only seven of its teachers requested transfers — less than half as many as 20 other high-poverty elementary schools.

At the same time, two thirds of its students are reading at grade level, up from 49 percent in 2002. And last year's gains were strong enough for the state to award Eisenhower its first A.

"What we're doing is working," said Natalie Gutierrez, 25, a third-year teacher who began her career at Eisenhower.

But Gutierrez is torn about differential pay. Schools without as many poor or minority kids have challenges, too, she said. And she's at Eisenhower because her heart is here, not because a bigger paycheck is.

"There's nights I'll be working until 7, and I think, 'Wow, I should be earning more money,' " she said. "But I chose this."

Wiszowaty, the special education teacher, said differential pay alone may not be enough to lure or keep veteran teachers. She said other factors need to be addressed, too — like, in her case, more planning time to whittle away at paperwork.

But Wiszowaty also said students at high-needs schools present more challenges. They haven't read as many books. Their parents aren't as engaged. And it falls on their teachers to pour more heart, soul and time into filling those gaps.

"Maybe more compensation makes it worthwhile," she said.

Polls show strong majorities of teachers support differential pay for high-needs schools. Some Pinellas principals say they like it. And hundreds of teachers on the other side of Tampa Bay are already earning it.

The Hillsborough program, now entering its fourth year, pays teachers 5 to 10 percent more if they choose to remain in one of two dozen high poverty schools. Hillsborough officials are now analyzing what impact extra pay has had on turnover.

In Pinellas, the idea is not likely to find support from the teachers union.

Union director Jade Moore called the emerging state proposal a "glitzy solution" that would be better spent on longer school days and more robust pre-K. Moore also said poverty remains the biggest factor in student performance and that keeping more experienced teachers in high-poverty schools wouldn't bring much improvement.

"I guarantee you if you put 25 rookie teachers in Garrison Jones (Elementary), that school would still get an A," he said. "And I guarantee if you put 25 national board-certified teachers in Lakewood Elementary … they might go from a D to a C."

Back in the foyer, Mr. B high-fived students he has known for years. How's your mom, he asked one.

"Good," she said. "She just quit smoking."

Mr. B high-fived the girl again. "Give that one to her," he said.

Boulanger said he wasn't confident education officials would find enough money to make differential pay worthwhile. But he said they were right to think that instability at some schools was a real problem.

"You need that base to build on," he said.

Ron Matus can be reached at matus@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8873.



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Comments on this article
by Lou Oct 13, 2008 5:00 PM
I am paid for 37.5 hours a week.I work about 50+! I would rather hear politicians, the school board, etc demand accountability from parents and stop blaming teachers for a student's lack of achievment. That means more to me than money.
by miguel Oct 13, 2008 1:46 PM
this is not tru about mr b says miguel
by Alexa Oct 13, 2008 1:27 PM
omg, I went to that school! It is SO great! The people and teachers are very fun to be around. Mr. B was my 5th grade teacher and I miss being there A LOT!!!!!!
by ctb Oct 12, 2008 1:10 PM
I'm w/ those saying ALL public school teachers should be getting better pay.& bonus pay for those willing to take on more difficult tasks isn't exactly an outrageous idea either.You get what you pay for - duh!
by Time Oct 9, 2008 3:10 PM
Teachers should be paid more or they will leave the profession. It's just not worth the time and energy if they still can't pay the bills at the end of the month. Less $ spent on testing is one solution. Support education by supporting teachers.
by Lynne Oct 9, 2008 11:59 AM
It's not about the pay. It is about the desire to learn. It is about what the families expect from their children. You can lead a horse to water , but you cannot make him drink. Teachers can teach, students must want to do the learning.
by Joan Oct 8, 2008 5:56 PM
Alot of people do not realize that teachers that teach at the magnet high schools get paid more. Where does this money come from? I know from experience that it is great to work with students who are motivated. . . and yet we pay these teachers more
by Ryan Oct 8, 2008 5:09 PM
Heidi, I bet you are one of them that spends too much and has gotten our country into the financial mess it is in. Learn to control your spending and you can only work one job and not three.
by LoyaltyDoesntPay Oct 8, 2008 4:56 PM
Hillsborough's compensation program is a JOKE. Teachers from Middleton HS, LOW performing poor school, do not qualify for the compensation program. Blame the high teacher turnover for Middleton's closure (explain this to tomorrow's FLDOE visitors)
by Rowdy Oct 8, 2008 3:03 PM
WRONG! Teachers are unemployed for eight weeks in the summer. And most school systems require teachers to earn more credits for advancement at their own expense, which means summer school. Try it before you knock it.
by Adrienne Oct 8, 2008 2:53 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! poor schools + new teachers= failing grades
by BadBob Oct 8, 2008 2:52 PM
The headline suggests that teachers like this idea. Was there any proof of this at all? I am not a big union supporter by any means, but I don't see where the rank and file teachers think that this type of different pay is a good idea.
by Wrdsmth Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
Pay tchrs more at poor schools. Students at these schools speak the language of the hood-try teaching them proper English. They bring their wild bad behavior to school and their inherited genes. U try teaching a kid with a 85 IQ and be successful.
by Lee Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
Only a teachers' union could oppose higher pay. Time to retire Jade.
by james Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
It's not how much teachers earn/time off, but that teachers in poorer schools face unique obstacles not present in other schools where teachers earn equal pay to them. Teachers can't control these obstacles but exert extra effort/time to compensate.
by Lynn Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
I have worked at poor & wealthy schools. Kids are kids no matter where the school is located. What makes a high performing school, such as Eisenhower, is the leadership. Principal Sandy Downes motivates & supports her staff which produces results!
by Tom Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
Teachers should be rotated just like managers at supermarkets, General Motors, and every other successful business entity.
by Jeff Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
I am a teacher. You will NEVER hear me complain about what teachers make because I knew what it was like coming into the profession. HOWEVER, if I hear one more person who has never set foot in a classroom since graduating say that teachers have it
by AJ Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
I teach in H'boro County(75 poverty school). I make 32,000 a year. I work 65 hours a week plus 2 part time jobs to supplement my income. I love my job, but if I got paid more, I'd be less burned out and have a more balanced life.
by MSTeacher Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
I am glad to see the community talking about this issue. I agree that more pay is not necessarily the answer- awareness; however, just may help!
by Terri Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
Differential pay always shows favoritism! What administrators should focus on are lazy tenured teachers. I experienced 19 years in Pinellas schools where my children were honor students, they had the best teachers. But, that isn't the norm.
by Tom Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
How much money will it take to pay teachers so we will not have to hear they are underpaid? Keep in mind all the benefits they get that their neighbors do not get (pension, sick days, holidays etc).
by metoo Oct 8, 2008 12:42 PM
ThereNow's suggestion makes sense. Lower the class number in high poverty schools, so the teacher can have more time with the child, and raise the class number in low poverty schools, where discipline is lower too. Makes more sense than more $$.
by Ryan Oct 8, 2008 12:41 PM
Argon, I have a masters degree so that is probably why I make $40K. Generally, people who do not have degrees and are teaching preschool and their helpers do not make as much. Go back to school and you too can make the big bucks!!! Quit bellyaching!
by Paul Oct 8, 2008 12:41 PM
Good famlies make good schools. Good teachers enhance the learning process and children thrive in positive home and school environments. Teachers can't do it all. It's a cooperative process and a win-win for all.--A teacher of thirty years- retired!!
by Michael Oct 8, 2008 12:41 PM
Teaching is a profession and just like any other group, they will go where pay is highest. When I finish college, I will take my Teaching certificate and move where the pay is higher. College is cheapest here though. Thanks Florida !
by Michael Oct 8, 2008 12:40 PM
I'm going to college in FL to become a teacher, because college is cheapest here. People say I am insane to become a teacher. Pay is lower here and taxes and insurance are too high. I'll make more money in any other state. Parents are the problem.
by Michael Oct 8, 2008 12:40 PM
Teaching now requires a Masters Degree to get the same pay as a policeman or a fire fighter. I don't hear anyone talking about cutting their salaries and they do not contribute to the economy like other jobs do.... Where is the Lottery money going?
by Michael Oct 8, 2008 12:39 PM
Do soldiers get extra hazardous duty pay ? Yes they do. Then yes, teachers should get higher pay in more challenging environments. That's why teachers leave the profession in large numbers every year. Lack of parent involvement is also a problem.
by Kim Oct 8, 2008 12:39 PM
I don't think it should matter whether they are Section 8 kids are not. That doesn't mean they are any less of a kid! Most Section 8 recipients are hard workers that work full time!
by Amy Oct 8, 2008 11:43 AM
All teachers need better pay as do nurses. Please these people are our lifeblood now and in the future. TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND ELDERS now or we'll stay in the rute that the US is in now.... forever. NUFF SAID!!!
by Kim Oct 8, 2008 11:43 AM
Lower Salaries and MORE teachers? If these people are truly doing the best they can, we are wasting money by paying them more. What we need is MORE people doing the work.
by Ryan Oct 7, 2008 3:25 PM
Teachers get paid $40,000, get eight weeks off in summer, two in winter, a day off every month, at least 10 personal days/sick leave a year and discounts all over the place. Yes, teaching school is tough, but there are many benefits. I am a teacher.
by BUDDY Oct 7, 2008 3:24 PM
OF COURSE THEY SHOULD; THEY AVE POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON OUR YOUTH AND PREPARE THEM FOR LIFE NEED TO RETAIN OUR BEST TEACHERS
by DL Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM
What's wrong with an extra grand or two to the teacher willing to STAY at an underfunded (read inner city) school. My hats off to them.
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