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China gobbling up Florida turtles

By Craig Pittman, Times staff writer
In print: Monday, October 6, 2008


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A rising demand in China for turtles for food and medicine has led to the round-up of thousands of turtles from Florida's lakes, ponds and canals.

Exporters are shipping up to 3,000 pounds of softshell turtles a week out of Tampa International Airport, according to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. A Fort Lauderdale seafood company is buying about 5,000 pounds of softshell turtles a week. They're worth about $2 a pound to the harvesters.

"Asian countries are causing the extinction, the near extinction or the endangerment of every species of turtle they have over there, so now they're turning to the United States to supply their insatiable demand for turtle," said Matt Aresco, a turtle biologist from the Panhandle.

The trend — which biologists worry threatens species survival — has surfaced at places like Newnan's Lake near Gainesville. Last summer, as Gary Simpson jotted down the license plate number of a suspicious-looking pickup, he wondered about the bulging sacks in the truck bed. Simpson, who manages a tackle shop, worried poachers had filled the sacks with fish.

After he used his pocket knife to slash open a sack, "Turtles started piling out," he said. There were at least a dozen in each of the 20 sacks, he said. "It was pretty obscene, it really was."

By the time the truck's owners had returned to the dock, he said, "those turtles were crawling all over the parking lot." Wildlife officers summoned by Simpson were waiting — but they had to let the turtle-catchers go because they had broken no law.

Other states — Alabama and Texas, among others — have recently restricted or banned the harvest of turtles. As those states have cut off access, the harvesters have focused more and more on Florida's turtles, Aresco said.

The harvesters target the larger turtles, the ones old enough to reproduce, Aresco said. Wipe out those and soon all the turtles will be gone.

Two environmental groups, the Center for Biological Diversity and the St. Johns Riverkeeper, petitioned the wildlife commission to ban freshwater turtle harvesting. Turtle biologists asked the state to curtail it to just one turtle per person per day. The commission's own experts recommended a limit of five per person per day.

But several turtle harvesters showed up at a meeting last month to urge commissioners to hold off.

"There's nothing wrong with it," said William Shockley, an electrical contractor who often fishes for turtles around Lake Okeechobee. "It's a good, honest living. This is our survival."

For Shockley, a good day is when he can haul in 30 or 40 softshell turtles, about 500 pounds total. He sells them to one of 10 dealers around the lake. Some go to local restaurants, he said, but others go overseas. Shockley estimated there are between 100 to 500 harvesters statewide.

After hearing their appeal, the commissioners voted to impose a limit of 20 turtles a day per person for licensed harvesters -- to the biologists' consternation.

"That's 140 softshells a week per person," Aresco said. "That's not much different from what's going on now. That's no way to manage a species. It's not based on any science at all."

Commission biologist Bill Turner pointed out that the new 20-per-day limit is just an interim rule. Over the next year the staff will meet with both sides to forge a compromise.

Aresco contended that's not good enough: "We can't allow this to continue for a year."

Seminole City Council member Dan Hester would agree. When residents who live around Blossom Lake Park complained that someone was swiping turtles from the lake, Hester asked the city staff what he could do to stop it.

The answer: Not much. State and federal officials make the wildlife laws, not cities. Rather than give up, Hester said, the city posted signs at parks warning that no one could remove any wildlife.

"It's not enforceable," he conceded, but maybe it will scare off some folks.

Mark Ely, who did the research for Hester, said he couldn't figure out why the turtle harvesters would target Blossom Lake: "Why would you want to eat something that lives in a retention pond that takes stormwater runoff?"

Times staff writer Anne Lindberg and researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this story.



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Comments on this article
by mark Oct 9, 2008 3:39 PM
It's too bad Florida has so many rednecks; I think those turtles have more class than the average redneck Southerner. The Democrats are already the winners, the Republicans the whinners.
by John Oct 9, 2008 3:36 PM
Tee - not that you would understand the difference, but it's the left-wing Communists in China that are behind this. The same Chinese that don't have to worry about anyone protesting their shooting, harvesting, drilling, killing or polluting.
by JR Oct 9, 2008 3:33 PM
Can we please leave the word harvest for vegetables? It's repulsive when used as it is being used in this article. Let's go harvest some turtles Jethro!! IDIOTS. The world is full of them and here is another article on a few more.
by Jim Oct 9, 2008 3:24 PM
Wonderful, the land of the free(buck)haven't you people done enough damage to the world in the last couple of years without turning in on yourselves,is there nothing you won,t do for money,doesn't look like it.At least its the USA your exploiting
by JR Oct 9, 2008 3:19 PM
Mr. Shockley, you do understand that when the turtles are gone they will not be your survival. That is the point. Take the ban off the Jewfish and put it on turtles.
by Jim Oct 9, 2008 1:25 PM
Come on over there you have used every one else's assets yourselves oil/labour/food/and countries/and your greed has caused monetary melt down right across the globe wake, up it may be its payback time you are in very deep water life belts are scarce
by Hey Tee Oct 9, 2008 12:01 PM
Can you keep on topic about turtles and not about politics for once. You political cheerleaders are absolutely insane, ranting everywhere about politics.
by hector Oct 8, 2008 12:45 PM
Americans need to be more civilized and realize not everybody in the world likes hamburgers and chicken wings. I'm not defending the Chinese, because they are destroying the planet. But people need to think about the stupid comments they post here.
by goya Oct 8, 2008 12:45 PM
dont they eat dog?did you see any dogs during the olympics.you cant tell me they arent cannibals.
by RICK Oct 8, 2008 12:44 PM
"It's a good, honest living. This is our survival."??? sure not for the survival of the species and to think ,most are going overseas .So for a few pouchers to make a few bucks we are tearing apart our eco-system.Will the State make a law fast please
by Ryan Oct 8, 2008 12:44 PM
What's next? Exporting dogs and cats for the dinner table? Where are our law makers?
by B Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
We are all missing the point, the US should open turtle farms like salmon farms and sell them to the Chinese for profit. Maybe we can pay off our massive debt to China
by Manavis Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
Maybe you should ask what Obama would do about the problem....ask him, he knows everything.
by ed Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM
WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THE WORLD WHO GIVES A CRAP EAT AWAY
by republican Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM
The unabashed comtempt for the easiest game to possibly 'hunt' is laughable if not so insane. Turtles believe it or not are part of the balance of nature and if you feel extinction of any species is acceptable for a couple of bucks you obtuse at best
by republican Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM
Do the math billions of chinese. One week of inventory. Then what?
by Bill Oct 7, 2008 5:44 PM
The State should immediately begin drafting legislation to prohibit the capture and export of any turtle species in Florida. At least making it a felony to possess more than 2 turtles at a time and establishing a Env. Dept permit for greater than 2.
by mike f Oct 7, 2008 5:43 PM
I went fishing with a fellow chinese student from UF. We used live shrimp, which disappeared fast. My chinese friend was eating the bait live. True Story.
by andy Oct 7, 2008 5:40 PM
it's a freakin turtle... if you lose your job... bet ya get a turtle.!! capitalisim at it's best.. SELL SELL SELL.
by Joe Oct 7, 2008 4:43 PM
Give me a break...none of you even cared about these turtles until this story came out. You probably wouldn't have swerved if one was in the roadway. You are all a bunch of hypocrites!!
by LibertyTreeBud Oct 7, 2008 3:22 PM
GO OUT THERE AND HELP THE TURTLES EXCAPE FROM THE CLUTCHES OF HARVESTERS. Do it anyway you can, anywhere you can and do carry a pocketknife.
by Keith Oct 7, 2008 3:12 PM
I think it is a sad thing when we destroy all that lives around us in this beautiful state just to earn a dollar. Once something is wiped out there is nothing bringing it back, it is sad what man will do for greed.
by Kathleen Oct 7, 2008 1:49 PM
There are no wild animals in China...anything that moves is eaten, before being brutally butchered. Get China's stomach out of America and the Western Hemisphere for that matter.
by Becky Oct 7, 2008 1:48 PM
I just want to say that this is a sad situation that should be stopped and stopped now. I am half native american and my people did not take more that what was needed. Also, people better start reading their Bibles because those are GODS CREATURES!!!
by Brendan Oct 7, 2008 1:45 PM
So many uneducated opinions, FWC is a science based regulatory/enforcement agency that operates under the direction of a quasi-political org, the "commission". If you don't like it, the commission meetings are open to the public.
by jocko Oct 7, 2008 12:25 PM
Just last year the state was saying there were too many red ear sliders. Why can't the chinamen eat that?
by Cassie Oct 7, 2008 11:58 AM
Cal, by recent history try 1968-72, a couple bad years and tens of millions of bodies. Communist economic policies and what. I've been to the food market in Guangzhou. Ever conceivable creature for sale to eat; monkeys to raccoons, turtles to cats.
by Raycee Oct 7, 2008 11:13 AM
This reminds me of the time I met a person on Longboat Key, Fl who was catching live cats and selling them to the laboratories for their eyes. What direction is society going? Straight to H#LL? Pray for us, we need it badly.
by RJ Oct 7, 2008 11:05 AM
Good grief, Floridians -- you're worse than us Texans about protecting your wildlife? That's pathetic.
by Chloe Oct 7, 2008 10:57 AM
Drew, when you learn to spell, you might also want to see who is responsible for this. Spell State, not Federal.
by Honor Oct 7, 2008 10:57 AM
The turtles are not his. By the way, Maria, chocolate is not a living thing. What are you talking about? Ranting more like it.
by Kris Oct 7, 2008 10:34 AM
My job and now my turtles...ugh
by patriot Oct 7, 2008 10:24 AM
The degenerate Chinese are unscrupulous eaters and will eat anything that swims, crawls, walks or flies...they are the chief market for shark fins, they eat dogs and cats, and in general treat animals very badly. I am boycotting all things Chinese.
by Cecil Turtle Oct 7, 2008 10:18 AM
This is one of the many side effects of owing a country like China "Trillions"...Talk about appeasement!
by jeff Oct 7, 2008 10:17 AM
havent these people heard of "soylent green"?if they would put a little soy sauce on each other they might find it tasty.
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