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By
Andrew Meacham, Times Staff Writer
In print: Sunday, July 27, 2008
Sons of Confederate Veterans member Nelson Winbush, 79, of Kissimmee holds up a Confederate flag at a gathering Saturday in Tampa to discuss his desire to raise the rebel flag on U.S. 92 near Interstate 4. Michelle Williams is pictured at left.
TAMPA — Backers and opponents of a huge Confederate flag in east Hillsborough met Saturday to air their differences. After two hours, nothing appeared to have changed.
Community activists and the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the group responsible for a Confederate monument on U.S. 92 near Interstate 4 and a prominently displayed Confederate flag to come, had some of the "dialogue" sought by organizers of the event.
But the flag will still fly. And its opponents promise not to go away. They also predict a backlash.
Left in the wings: the image of the Tampa Bay area, which is either claiming its Southern heritage or proclaiming white power, depending on who is speaking.
Alvin Mccray, whose Community Justice Forum sponsored the event held at the Alessi Woodstone Oven, said he was disappointed with the turnout. He had blanketed black churches with invitations and included four county commissioners. He had told activist Michelle Williams, who opposes the flag, she could invite as many people as she wanted. In the end, only 14 people showed up to listen to Mccray and six panelists.
Several of those who spoke for or against the flag, which also will be visible to drivers along Interstate 75, invoked Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Marion Lambert, who bought a 0.3-acre property for the Confederate monument and led the project, lauded the civil rights movement and decried Jim Crow laws.
Williams said she respects the SCV for having established the monument legally, even though she will not rest until it and all other flags in the SCV's "Flags Across Florida" project are grounded for good.
But beyond an opening prayer for reconciliation by singer Belinda Womack, common ground quickly disappeared.
"If anything, this flag is a lightning rod and a catalyst for the debate," Lambert said. "And the debate is who we are as a people."
Connie Burton, a black community activist, warned of fierce opposition should the flag go up. "They have no idea of the hell they are going to unleash," she said.
When her time came to address the group, Burton turned to Lambert and two other speakers representing the SCV and said, "The flag you are attempting to raise — do it if you need to, do it if you must — paints a very nasty, dirty and ugly picture."
Willis K.C. Bowick, who heads the SunCoast African-American Chamber of Commerce but said he was representing only himself, suggested a possible compromise. Perhaps the SCV could fly its flag on selected days rather than every day.
Lambert rejected that proposal, saying that the flag represents the "Southern heritage community."
"I think that flag needs to fly," he said.
Bowick, 57, said he doesn't believe it's an accident that the flag will fly at the same time a Super Bowl is on its way to Tampa and a black man could be headed for the White House.
He said he might attend future events Mccray hopes to organize in hopes of a compromise, but the prospect doesn't excite him.
"I should be home watching baseball," he said.
Andrew Meacham can be reached at ameacham@sptimes.com or (813) 661-2431.
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Comments on this article
by 4U2C
Jul 31, 2008 3:26 PM
(cont.) In fact, even Ms. Williams utilizes threats of violence to draw attention to her current cause. And while we're at it, listen to a few rappers out there right now and tell me you don't hear them preaching violence for racial reasons.
by 4U2C
Jul 31, 2008 3:26 PM
Tony - You are very wrong. I was here for integration, and witnessed repeated rioting initiated by various black activists groups. Although MLK urged peacful resistance, he was only one activist at the time. Malcolm X preached a very different msg.
by Joe
Jul 30, 2008 10:58 AM
At least they'll be some true history left.
by Arthur
Jul 28, 2008 7:44 PM
Is Michelle Williams out of jail for waving a noose around the City Council meeting a few months ago? That was a terrorist act, she should still be in jail.
by Bart
Jul 28, 2008 5:05 PM
The only bigot that is endorced by the media is a anti-Southern bigot. Lets stop the hate and make some Cultural Tourism dollars. Tampa Bay has lots of Confederate historical sites.
by Henry
Jul 28, 2008 5:04 PM
Slavery as the reason for the WBTS is so stupid. How can a race of people continue to be duped by the media & the govt when the true facts are hiding in plain view in thousands of books. Michelle, "The truth will set you free" if you will read it!
by csason
Jul 28, 2008 4:47 PM
(cont.) Only maybe for sports or some entertainment..but of ALL things..a symbol of the Confederacy, bringing these families together in a freely social situation, if only the NAACP would celebrate THAT, then they might have some credibility.
by csason
Jul 28, 2008 4:47 PM
What is really amazing is you rarely see both white and black families, that by all media accounts are polar opposites culturally..lay aside their differences..to come together to CELEBRATE something so powerful as a jointed heritage.. (cont.)
by csason
Jul 28, 2008 4:39 PM
It's a shame that our comments are being censored..I thought better of the SP times..Ms. Williams is sooo confused, she wasn't taught about the thousands of free blacks that fought for freedom under the Dixie flag, now she doesn't know what to do.
by Charles
Jul 28, 2008 4:15 PM
Yes....no idea of the hell they are going to unleash? Sounds like a threat. I am really shaking!! Way to go Nelson and the SCV....stand up for our Ancestors! Why they cannot see that it is not being raised with racist motives is beyond me.
by Tony
Jul 28, 2008 4:12 PM
Billy - What did the blacks do during the civil rights movement that you don't agree with. They weren't the ones lynching people, bombing homes, wiretaping others, setting dogs loose on innocent people, etc. Peaceful protests were their tactics.
by Ron
Jul 28, 2008 3:39 PM
Succession was wrong and we are a great country today because it was squashed. Many don't love our country as the comments on this page attest. Ignore the SCV and their tired symbol of a lost cause. Support our country by voting at every opportunity.
by Bart
Jul 28, 2008 3:18 PM
Ms. Williams made issue of the term "whipping boy" as if it were a slave term. She obviously like to be offended. Origin: In England, when the Prince did wrong his friend to take his whippings. The term had nothing to do with slavery.
by csason
Jul 28, 2008 3:04 PM
I will try once more. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the NAACP doesn't see this as a great bridging of cultures, since the SCV is very integrated. I guess PC-ness doesn't have room for the truth in history.
by Bill
Jul 28, 2008 2:11 PM
I wonder what Ms. Burton is going to "unleash"? Sounds like a threat to me?! I guess she has never heard the expression, "The world does not revolve around YOU!" I have a question for Ms. Burton - WHO DIED AND MADE YOU QUEEN?
by John
Jul 28, 2008 11:04 AM
Sad day for Tampa. Symbols of slavery and opression should be put to rest.
by Emmerson
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
The flag is absolutely beautiful. The South is a wonderful place and this simply says it. There's nothing racist about it.
by Lynne
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Keep the flag flying....daily! It is a beautiful symbol of the obviously never-ending fight for independence from tyrannical governments and those power-mad despots who are temporarily in control of said governments. Fly those flags!
by Gregorios
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
I'm proud of my grandfathers, uncles, and cousins who fought against tyranny & oppression. That's what the "battle flag" signifies and nothing more !
Get a life ! Michelle Williams.
by Mike
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Alvin Mccray might would find his time better spent researching the facts than "stirin' the pot" Delaware was the first colony to endorse slavery...all slave ships had northern registrations. The South as racists is getting old.Debate facts not lies
by JShirley
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Ignorance of American history is the cause of all this division, not the CBF. Truly, lincoln enlarged the plantation. Only, most people today are unaware of this. 5 months a year are worked to pay for all gov't. The CBF is liberty, heritage, not hate
by Kenny Ramsey
Jul 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Slavery was legal in the United States from July 4, 1776 until the passage of the the 13th amendment on Dec. 9th, 1865.(Eight months after the Confederate government ceased to exist)
Why not learn your history and demand removal of all US flags.
by Billy
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
I dont agree with some of the things blacks did during the civil rights movement but, you dont see whites actively trying to erase that chapter of black history. So, why are blacks trying to regulate ours ?
by csason
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
I am proud of H.K. Edgerton. I am proud of
Nelson Winbush.. I am so proud of my ancestors and their ancestors who stood up to the tyranny of an oppressive federal government, that we still suffer with. WMD's = Slavery. Wake up, you're being played.
by James
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
The Confederate flag and other CSA symbols including monuments represent Limited Constitutional Federal Government, States Rights, Resistance to Tyranny, and Christian Values and Principles. The same principles as the Betsy Ross U.S. flag.
by Jeff
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY THE FLAG IS GOING TO FLY. Try education yourself on the Confederacy before your open your mouth and make yourself look like an idiot. I am extremly offended by people putting down the Confederacy and my ancestors.
by Martin
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
Fly the flag proudly and continuously! It stands for freedom for all, resistance to government tyranny, states' rights, the Original Constitution, and Southern Pride. The true flag of slavery is the US flag!
by Steven
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
It is a beautiful flag, we should fly one in every yard across the South. It has nothing to do with hate. Pick up a book and learn Southern History!
by Valerie
Jul 27, 2008 1:17 PM
Michelle Williams (shown above) once tried to fool the Council with a photo of a lynching she said happened in Florida, but actually happened in Indiana. I guess it's okay to lie and cheat as long as you're against the battle flag.
by Jimmy
Jul 27, 2008 1:16 PM
To all concerned, we the SCV are long past sick and tired of Black group's trying to tell us we can't fly our beloved Battle Flag. If y'all are offended "tough" you fly your'e x and we will fly our's. Southern men and women have right's same as you
by Community Activist Michelle Williams
Jul 27, 2008 1:16 PM
great coverage Meacham, the forum was very enlightening.
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