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Confederate flag may stay aloft

By Andrew Meacham, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, September 4, 2008


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The Sons of Confederate Veterans have raised the Confederate flag that is flying near Interstates 4 and 75 several times this year.
[CARRIE PRATT | Times]
The Sons of Confederate Veterans have raised the Confederate flag that is flying near Interstates 4 and 75 several times this year.

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TAMPA — The giant Confederate flag near Interstates 75 and 4 has been flying for nearly two weeks, and this time it is likely to stay aloft, backers say.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans first raised the banner for 20 minutes on April 1, and then again on June 3 and on Flag Day, June 14, on private property where they were building a monument to honor Confederate soldiers. They have put it up and lowered it three times, never flying it for more than a day or so.

The group raised it again Aug. 24 to commemorate the death of an outspoken flag advocate, and it has been up ever since.

"My hunch, my gut feeling, is that it will probably stay up," said Marion Lambert, who spearheaded the memorial park on U.S. 92, just west of Interstate 75.

After a series of choreographed media events and the glare of national exposure, the most recent, ongoing display of the flag occurred with almost no fanfare. But people are noticing just the same.

"My phone has been ringing the last two weeks nonstop," said Michelle Williams, a community activist who opposes the flag. "They want to know why the flag is still flying."

After the flag went up in August, University of South Florida sociologist H. Roy Kaplan asked his 200 students if they had seen it. Three-quarters of them had.

A former head of the National Conference for Community and Justice, Kaplan at one time offered to help negotiate a compromise between opponents and proponents of the Confederate flag monument.

"I was periodically involved," Kaplan said, "but I backed off when I saw that there were other initiatives afoot."

Lambert said other civic groups have approached him since June, trying to broker an agreement. Those efforts stalled after Lambert expressed his reluctance to meet with NAACP officials.

In fact, the flag might have come down by now, had its supporters not been miffed by a failed effort to defend the flag at an NAACP membership meeting.

"They booed me down," said Al Mccray, who resigned his NAACP membership a few days after trying to present the "true meaning of the Confederate flag."

Mccray's treatment angered the Sons of Confederate Veterans, whose members decided to delay plans to lower the flag. The decision to let it remain up came almost by default, Lambert said.

"We just love seeing that flag flying high," he said. "It's exhilarating."

Despite its visibility, the flag might not be quite the lightning rod it was a few months ago, said Curtis Stokes, the president of the Hillsborough County branch of the NAACP.

"When it first went up in June, we were flooded with calls," Stokes said. "But in the last incident we have had three calls."

Nonetheless, Stokes said he hopes to limit the prominence of a symbol many find racially divisive. "If that was a giant flag with a swastika on it, the Jewish community would be offended," he said.

Andrew Meacham can be reached at (813) 661-2431 or ameacham@sptimes.com.



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Comments on this article
by Al Sep 8, 2008 11:46 AM
Lets just stop all the fussing and leave the flag up. All this hogwash of trying to compare it to a Nazi flag is getting not only sickening but somewhat of a bore.
by Miller Sep 8, 2008 11:38 AM
Beautiful Flag! Keep it flying! Southern Pride and honoring our ancestors is always good. Some folks have the wrong idea about this flag, they need a history lessor or two.
by karo Sep 8, 2008 11:36 AM
Let it fly.....it is our heritage and we're proud of it !!
by Ken Sep 8, 2008 11:29 AM
Let her fly, Its part of American History. God Bless Dixie
by Randy Sep 8, 2008 11:13 AM
Well glory be , I am so proud of Marion Lambert and all the folks that put our flag up . I love to see it flying .Do not pay the NAACP any attention , they are the enemy . Ignore them and enjoy your life .
by jerome Sep 6, 2008 4:17 PM
history shows that slavery existed before the USA did, it also shows that African tribal leaders sold their captives and own people into slavery, this is just another part of history slavery still exists today because we are all slaves to the dollar!
by Bobby Sep 6, 2008 4:16 PM
For hundreds of years the swastika was known as good luck symbol someone took it used for their own purpose like some groups are doing now with the confederate flag so making a comparison its absurd what about the union jack it was part of slavery or
by Carol Sep 6, 2008 4:15 PM
President elect Obama will take it down once the Obamanation takes control.
by Paula Sep 5, 2008 11:58 AM
This nation has become full of whinning bleeding hearts that start to cry at the drop of a pin. The news organizations pump it out there n train everyone without their own ability to think they cloud the true issues with trash like this ugood puppets
by Lance Sep 4, 2008 9:30 PM
Unfortunately no one knows the true motives of there actions.If it's heritage that awesome,if it's for ignorance;Well if they pride in taking over land from Indians, black from there homes, being kicked out of England, with no pot to piss in..OOk
by Charlie Sep 4, 2008 5:13 PM
Wasn't this argument settled in 1865? Is the economy really so bad that we have to relive the Civil War again?
by That guy that doesn't exist... Sep 4, 2008 5:10 PM
Oh yeah? Well, my ancestry didn't just lose 2 or 3 members in the Civil war, we lost 100% of our ancestors in the Civil war...
by Siyani Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM
Lawrence Keitt, Congressman,S. Carolina, in a speech to the House on January 25, 1860: "African slavery is the corner-stone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence"
by Siyani Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM
Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy, re the Confederacy: "Its foundations are laid,its cornerstone rests,upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery...is his natural and and normal condition."
by Siyani Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM
Robert M.T. Hunter, Senator from Virginia, "What did we go to war for, if not to protect our property?"
by Siyani Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM
John C. Calhoun, Senator from South Carolina: "The defence of human liberty against the aggressions of despotic power have been always the most efficient in States where domestic slavery was to prevail." Okay, I have "read up" on my history.
by robert Sep 4, 2008 2:57 PM
"The South fought for states' rights..." The right to do with property what they please. The property of course was human beings.This is the crux of the issue. It cannot be escaped. Read the declarations for succession issued by confederate states.
by robert Sep 4, 2008 2:57 PM
"Are we going to just ignore parts of history that offend everyone? " No, we should recognize them for what they were and not sugar coat them. We should stop transforming history to mythology and propaganda.
by Ken Sep 4, 2008 1:51 PM
Keep it flying proudly, and claim this symbol of Dixie back from the KKK and other hate mongers who stole in in the past.
by Paul Sep 4, 2008 1:50 PM
That flag represents and celebrates treason practiced on a huge scale. Keep that in mind all you good Amurricans.
by BOO HOO Sep 4, 2008 1:50 PM
It is part of the Southern History. GET OVER IT!! God forbid we have the WEC (White entertainment channel) Or the White college fund, or white history day. Are we going to just ignore parts of history that offend everyone?
by Anonymous Sep 4, 2008 1:49 PM
I find it unfortunate that this symbol is viewed as a racial symbol. The South fought for states' rights and in a way, their loss in the civil war changed the fabric of our system in a negative way, despite the positive and inevitable side-effects.
by Doug Sep 4, 2008 1:49 PM
It will just become part of the landscape. Passerbys will correctly think that there mis a CW memorial there. So much angst over a flag. Slavery was one issue of many for the war. Let them have their heritage. Slavery was under US flag for 80 years
by P. Sep 4, 2008 1:48 PM
I was very dismayed, angered and saddened to see this flag flying near my home. I understand these folks and their pride as I am a 5th generation Floridian. I feel, however, flying the rebel flag is backwards and too hurtful to many people.
by Issywise Sep 4, 2008 12:14 PM
We don't bother to teach our children about racism and its cancerous effect on our national history and it present hatred, so why not a flag? Make the flag cause of more anti-hate focused education. Pay the hateful reprobates back.
by Tony Sep 4, 2008 12:14 PM
YOu can't compare the Confederate flag to a swastika. For most of the world the swastika is a symbol of genocide. The Confederate flag is a symbol of freedom for the south. Slavery, common in the south than, is not genocide.
by Joshua Sep 4, 2008 12:13 PM
My family lost 5 members in the civil war and my great grandfather survived the war. All were in the North Carolina 23rd infantry.Regardless of which side they were on, all should be honored for their contribution to the history of this nation.
by Masiach Sep 4, 2008 12:13 PM
(Part 2) I am a descendant of a family that lost members in the civil war on both the north and south (5 in one battle alone, 2 union, 3 confederate, all first cousins) I find the confederate flag offensive in what it stands for and the lives it cost
by Harold Sep 4, 2008 12:13 PM
TREASON!! Make no mistake, that symbol is an American swastika.
by Mashiach Sep 4, 2008 12:13 PM
Stokes should speak for himself and the NAACP, and not invoke what he thinks the Jewish community finds offensive or not. That's his own prejudice speaking out. As a Jew I am offended by the flag as are many others in the Jewish community.
by Terry Sep 4, 2008 12:12 PM
"If that was a giant flag with a swastika on it, the Jewish community would be offended," he said. This man is ignorant. We are talking about an AMERICAN flag, a flag of heritage to many people - not a German flag from a despotic regime.
by bob Sep 4, 2008 12:11 PM
the swastika flag is a bad analogy for the confederate flag. the better analogy would be a german flag, commemorating the history and sacrifice of a nation of people who were not all bad.
by charlie Sep 4, 2008 12:09 PM
Praise the Lord ! The South is finally beginning to realize that being Southern is OK. Downtown Lakeland is full of banners proclaiming "Dixie" pride. It's about time for a sense of regional pride to swell among all of us here in the South.
by JPE Sep 4, 2008 12:08 PM
It's a beautiful flag. Congrats to the SCV.
by robert Sep 4, 2008 12:08 PM
"true meaning of the Confederate flag." A heritage of hatred and treason.No neo-confederate revisonism can change these facts.
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