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Half the parking spaces in Rays plans are closed to public

By Aaron Sharockman, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, March 13, 2008


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ST. PETERSBURG — Half of the downtown parking spaces the Tampa Bay Rays need for a proposed $450-million stadium are in private or employee lots unavailable to the public.

Exact numbers fluctuate depending on the time of the day, but of the 11,000 spaces the Rays identified within a 25-minute walk of Al Lang Field, 5,500 now are reserved for private use.

That scenario, presented this week in the Rays' detailed parking analysis, poses another challenge in the team's complex $1- billion stadium and redevelopment plan.

Team officials say the owners of the private lots have a financial incentive to open spaces for baseball because many of the lots sit empty at night.

Parking 100 cars for Rays' games could generate as much as $120,000 a year in new revenues, the team estimates.

But the task also could bring operational challenges and costs that outweigh financial gain, some parking operators say.

"Anybody that potentially would have spaces available, of course they would be interested," said Susan Reiter, the facilities director for St. Petersburg College, which has a 170-space garage downtown. The Rays estimate 82 spaces may be available for weeknight baseball games.

"If the stars align, yes we might sit down and talk," Reiter said. "It would be nice to make money. But to & say you're going to get 82 spaces from us is erroneous."

The attendance factor

The Rays' study, which was handled by consultants Rummel, Klepper & Kahl, began by counting all off-street parking within three-quarters of a mile of Al Lang Field.

Consultants eliminated parking that would not be available for the Rays, like spaces at the downtown Hilton and Publix, and studied the rest.

In their analysis, they factored in how many spaces were occupied at game times, the distance from the stadium and the size of the lot. They also added an 800-car garage the Rays want to build next to the Mahaffey Theater and up to 2,700 spaces that would be available at the redeveloped Tropicana Field.

The study, released Tuesday, showed that 13,400 spaces could be available on weeknights.

But that does not mean every space is needed every night, Rays officials said Wednesday.

The number depends on how many fans go to the game.

According to the team study, the Rays would need up to 11,950 spaces for a sellout crowd of 34,000.

If the crowd is smaller, say 26,000 people, the team needs 9,200 spaces.

Some spots — between 1,800 and 2,700 — will be available at and around Tropicana Field, where a shuttle bus could take people to and from the game.

The other spaces are those within walking distance of Al Lang, the Rays say. Thousands are already open to the public, like at the Pier and at BayWalk.

The rest are privately held.

Willing landholders

The Rays are targeting about 20 downtown landholders, including the city and the county government's employee lots.

All Children's Hospital, Bayfront Medical Center and the University of South Florida St. Petersburg — which could provide 2,800 spots — may all be willing to help, they said in letters to the Rays.

Other business owners may follow suit.

"Shared parking usually makes complete sense, especially in a downtown environment," said Calvin Samuel, a principal in The ARC Group, which owns properties that straddle First Avenue S near Seventh Street.

The Rays estimate Samuel's properties could provide 212 parking spaces for the ballpark. But a proposal to build a new 1,400-space parking garage on the site could drastically increase the team's options.

At Second Avenue S and Third Street, Andy Wallace said he would consider opening the 131-space SunTrust Bank building garage to the Rays. But Wallace, the garage operator, already has a contract to provide parking to De Santo Latin American Bistro across the street. It's unclear how many spaces might be available for the Rays, Wallace said.

And the St. Petersburg Times, which has 565 spaces in two lots between Second and Fourth avenues S, said it would consider making its spaces available for baseball.

"To the extent there are empty spaces, we would be open to discussions about leasing those out for game day parking," said Andrew Corty, a vice president for the Times.

Overall, the Rays say that of the nearly 5,500 private spaces the team thinks could be available, owners of more than 3,300 already have said they're interested. Some, however, aren't.

"It's just not worth the hassle," said Mario Perry with Michael Christian Properties, which owns a 60-space lot on First Avenue S near Sixth Street that is used primarily by lawyers working nearby. "People pay a fair amount for the rent. They deserve the space. I'm not going to kick them out."

Wendy Kiral, the parish manager at St. Mary Our Lady of Grace Church at Fifth Avenue S and Fourth Street, said the church could use the extra revenue, but was unsure about the added problems and costs.

"We wouldn't be making a decision on this anytime soon," she said.



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Comments on this article
by rachel Mar 14, 2008 9:28 AM
Tommy, like most stadium supporters is using a shameful tactic. He's trying to say that all stadium opponents are old people. However, in so doing he's being agist, which is akin to racist or sexist. Way to go Tommy, class act, just like
by Carrie Mar 13, 2008 8:58 PM
Obviously NONE of you lived here back in the early 90's when they wanted to build Tropicana Field. The City lied to all of us back then to get it built and they're lieing now to slip this new plan under the radar! Wake up people!
by john Mar 13, 2008 8:56 PM
all you people with the positive comments for the stadium and the rays,must be employees or the ones whos going to profit from all this,take a vote and you will see how many of us want baseball gone from our city,perhaps Tampa,Plant City,IRAQ etc.
by Tommy Mar 13, 2008 8:56 PM
Seems to be a generational rift in support for this plan. Many over 60 seems to oppose it, probably because they feel the limited downtown vibrancy they helped create is now said to be insufficient. Don't take it personally, but we can't st
by Lets Built It Mar 13, 2008 6:31 PM
St Pete has good infrastructure (grid and 175 and 375) for growth. Lets use it and live up to our full potential and become a real national city and kick Tampa's butt. All cities must grow and compete, or soon you'll see tumblewee
by johnm59 Mar 13, 2008 6:31 PM
what about the taxpayers,well we have no say so,doesn't matter what we think,its only our money which they can spend it on whatever they want,we don't need a new stadium,most of us don't even want a baseball team,so why should we care
by Paul Mar 13, 2008 6:16 PM
our downtown is 'vibrant' because it has been built up by individual businesses, one at a time, with effort and local commitment. the Rays megaplex will apply massive resources at once, crippling the current 'vibrancy' for the goo
by Jay Mar 13, 2008 2:45 PM
Can't wait for the 1st lawsuit because someone died in an ambulance on the way to Bayfront because they were stuck in traffic for a baseball game. Build a real team and then build a new stadium on the property you already HAVE. PERIOD. VOTE HELL
by Jean Mar 13, 2008 2:01 PM
Confused abt. parking questions. Is the stadium a done deal? If so, when and how did this happen? What about taxpayers who do not want to purchase ANOTHER stadium? Non-confusing/fair explanation on ballot, VOTING requested by all who must pay!
by Susie Mar 13, 2008 2:01 PM
Please keep Al Lang stadium just as it is, it is a real ball park. Rays loss for not practicing there, they want New stadium! Move team out of here, WE will be paying forever! Leave what little is left of waterfront. LET US VOTE! Scared of results?
by JAE Mar 13, 2008 2:00 PM
It would have been much better to have honestly disclosed the parking situation, rather then misleadingly (again) portraying a major part of the "plan" as doable. After all the secrecy, it undermines confidence in the Rays candor.
by Charlie Mar 13, 2008 2:00 PM
If you rely on businesses private parking spaces to meet your event needs, you are already in trouble because you are surrendering control of how many people can go to the game. What if St. Pete College has an evening function? Bad plan all around.
by Bruce Mar 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Thanks Robert, I hadn't had my coffee yet. $810,000 per year is even better. This is GREAT for our entire city.
by Jason Mar 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Awww, Poor Gary.. Did you have to pick up another job to pay for the Rays? You must be sooo tired of paying for them.. For your sake I hope they move so you can finally get some rest.. Best of luck buddy, hang in there.
by localboy Mar 13, 2008 1:47 PM
If nothing else the Rays are consistant! They are asking the citizens of St. Pete to provide them with a new waterfront stadium. Now they also want local businesses to give them their parking. The Rays seem to want others to give them quite a bit.
by Justin E Mar 13, 2008 1:46 PM
Local businesses will not thrive. The vast majority of people will spend all their money at the (expensive) game and go home, especially since they will have been sitting in the heat for hours.
by Dan Mar 13, 2008 1:46 PM
Can you imagine the mess of traffic as people drive all over downtown trying to find a lot with a space open? Does this mean all the games will be at night?
by Bland Mar 13, 2008 1:46 PM
Suggest anyone who thinks All Childrens or Bayfront have "extra" parking spaces try parking their around 6 PM. There is no room. They would have to start the Rays game at 10 PM. No way is this going to happen. This stadium is DOA.
by Albert Mar 13, 2008 1:46 PM
Wanting to slow the econimc development of entire area so you can go out to dinner on one of the fifty nights the Rays are playing, that isn't selfish at all.
by Susie Mar 13, 2008 1:34 PM
Please keep Al Lang stadium just as it is, it is a real ball park. Rays loss for not practicing there, they want New stadium! Move team out of here, WE will be paying forever! Leave what little is left of waterfront. LET US VOTE! Scared of results?
by Martin Mar 13, 2008 12:43 PM
This is a selfish move to monopolize the downtown spaces. Sure, some private companies will make money with parking revenue, but regular downtown business will be hurt.
by Frank Mar 13, 2008 12:16 PM
The Rays brawl with the Yankees the other days speaks volumes for the type of people we are dealing with here. Shady, agressive, trying to act like they deserve respect when they were last place last season. Get real! Win some games first bozos!
by jct Mar 13, 2008 12:16 PM
amy: get used to it. we're trying to revive the economy!! get a clue!
by JoAnne Mar 13, 2008 12:16 PM
The people who run some of these places (All Childrens for example) may buy into the Rays plan, but what about the people who might want to go to these places during gameday? How will they even get through all the traffic, let alone park?
by Mike Mar 13, 2008 12:16 PM
The Rays included spots in their study without even asking the people who own the lots first. The just assumed people would be willing to go along with their plan. What nerve!
by fan Mar 13, 2008 9:48 AM
hmmm...
by cynthia Mar 13, 2008 9:47 AM
What would be a win/win is if the Rays built themselves a new stadium on the current Trop site instead of trying to polish this turd of a plan. It's not all about making money people! Somethings are more important, don't let them muck up
by Tom Mar 13, 2008 9:44 AM
How in the heck are you supposed to know which one of these lots has availability? Is the city going to put hideous digital signs up everywhere that show availability? So...you'll drive around for an hour then walk for thirty minutes in the he
by Gary Mar 13, 2008 9:44 AM
They aren't going to need the spaces any way, even with a new stadium people still aren't going to watch the games. Sell the team and move it out of here all ready, I'm tired of paying for it.
by rayray Mar 13, 2008 9:43 AM
Parking won't be a problem, it will funnel more $ into downtown economy nd make us a true major leaque city that is envied by many.
by Robert Mar 13, 2008 9:43 AM
Um, Bruce. $10,000 times 81 games equals $810,000. Not $81,000. Having the staduim near the water is going to create some congestion. But think of how the local businesses are going to thrive. I love the whole idea!
by Amy Mar 13, 2008 8:35 AM
If you dont like to see baseball to hell with your plans on perhaps going to dinner downtown. Ray owners are a selfish bunch.
by Bruce Mar 13, 2008 8:10 AM
Lets do the math. If, for example, All Children's has 1000 spaces available (if that # is accurate?), if they net $10/space = $10,000/game x 81 games = $81,000 per year. Multiply that over 10 years. This truly is a win/win.
by Jim Mar 13, 2008 8:10 AM
What a great opportunity for these private lots to generate money that otherwise would not be there when they are sitting empty. Again funneling $ into the economy, this will work out very well.
by Pete Mar 13, 2008 8:09 AM
If Rays fans are taking up the parking spaces at the Pier and Baywalk, where are the Pier and Baywalk patrons supposed to park? Stay at the Trop. You've got enough parking to accommodate your baseball fans without burdening the downtown core. Id
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