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ST. PETERSBURG — The bids to redevelop Tropicana Field touched off a new set of questions Wednesday over the Tampa Bay Rays' plan for a new $450-million waterfront stadium.
Relief that three companies submitted bids was replaced by renewed concerns that redeveloping the team's existing ballpark site won't be enough to pay for a new stadium.
The $50-million bid from Hines to purchase and redevelop the 86-acre site, combined with few specifics from two other developers, surprised many who thought the land worth more. The land is the centerpiece of the Rays' plan to finance a new ballpark at Al Lang Field.
"There seems to be a lot of gaps to fill in," said City Council Chairman Jamie Bennett.
Added council member Herb Polson: "$50-million? I'm not excited by that number."
Property and sales taxes from new housing, offices and shops on the Tropicana site could close the gap, Rays officials say. A preliminary estimate of the two revenue streams could add $218-million, the team said.
But those dollars depend on development scenarios laid out this week becoming reality.
In that case, the risk could outweigh the reward.
"This is the first real meaty information we have to look at," Bennett said. "Everybody's got their cards on the table — at least some of them — and now the poker game begins."
Financing possibilities
City officials Wednesday continued to sort out details of the three bids while Rays officials began turning the numbers into a financing plan.
The team has said it will not seek new taxes or to divert existing tax revenue. That means team officials would ask only for the taxes generated by redeveloping Tropicana Field.
Hines, which worked with the Rays and submitted a bid, said tax revenue could total $858-million over 35 years.
The Archstone-Madison bid includes no such number but would likely be higher because it has more retail, office and housing, Rays officials said.
The Williams Quarter bid would generate fewer taxes because it has less development.
"We've said from the beginning, and maybe people didn't internalize it, that this is just not about the land value," said Rays senior vice president Michael Kalt. "We're not surprised by what came back necessarily. I feel pretty good where those numbers are."
Special considerations
Two bids attach special conditions that could steal millions from the Rays' potential pot.
The Hines and Archstone-Madison proposals call for the city to pay for environmental mitigation at the Tropicana Field site, if it's needed.
Archstone-Madison said it might want the city to "equitably" pay to demolish Tropicana Field. The developers also want the city to transform Interstate 175 into a tree-lined boulevard.
And Hines said it might reduce its purchase price if asked to build affordable housing. The Houston developer also wants a city lot east of 10th Street that is not part of the Tropicana development.
The requests are typical, said city development administrator Rick Mussett.
In its bid, Archstone-Madison also created options should the Rays stay at Tropicana Field or attempt to build a stadium west of 16th Street.
The team would share in some profits under that scenario, but not before the city paid to replace stadium parking.
Opponents of the Rays' waterfront stadium plan call the half redevelopment proposal a compromise that would create jobs and tax revenue without a huge city investment.
A waterfront ballpark relies too much on speculation, said Hal Freedman, a founder of the antistadium group St. Pete Protect Our Wallets and Waterfront.
"You don't want to go into debt & betting on something that may never happen," Freedman said. "It's just a big, big risk for a city the size of St. Petersburg."
The Rays say the compromise does not explain who would pay potentially $100-million to build parking garages or even more for a new stadium. "We looked at those options," Kalt said. "The problem is how do you pay for a lot of the things that need to be done for that to happen."
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Comments on this article
by Art
Mar 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Not one penny in taxpayers money! Keep saying that to these politicians who balance the budget on the backs of the Police & Fire Departments budgets. Let the Rays arrange private financing. And no tax breaks for them, period!
by to glen
Mar 24, 2008 11:30 AM
Love your guesstimate. It looks like your the only one blowing smoke. The rays have said they will pay for all overuns over the 450mil price tag.
by to glen again
Mar 24, 2008 11:29 AM
Are you forgetting the Rays are paying 150 million? The only tax dollars that will be used are ones that wouldn't exist otherwise. So actually your taxes would be paying for the same thing they always have been. There will be no new taxes
by Get Smart
Mar 24, 2008 11:08 AM
Who cares how much it costs, Its for the Team.
by to glen
Mar 24, 2008 9:17 AM
Love your guesstimate. It looks like your the only one blowing smoke. The rays have said they will pay for all overuns over the 450mil price tag.
by AnotherMike
Mar 21, 2008 9:55 AM
Why does Mayor have term limits. So that the Mayor and city council can sell all the Public assets before they get out of office. Again the plan is to put all our eggs in a Downtown Basket by selling for less then its true value public assets.
by veej
Mar 20, 2008 5:03 PM
If Michael Kalt's mouth is open another lie is hanging in the air.
by JH Skyscrapercity
Mar 20, 2008 3:34 PM
wow. the Rays want almost a BILLION in land and future tax revenues for a nicer stadium?
What about the transit, schools, economic development etc, that could otherwise happen if the city develops the land anyways and puts the proceeds to good us
by Glen
Mar 20, 2008 2:37 PM
The new stadium will cost over $600M after normal overruns. Subtract $50M from Hines leaves least $550M for the city to pay. They can't blow enough smoke to make me think that'll be covered by taxes on the redeveloped trop site alone. We
by Kay
Mar 20, 2008 12:53 PM
50 million is an insult for a property that size in that location.
by Larry G
Mar 20, 2008 9:48 AM
But wouldn't that $218 million "it might add" be need to provide additional city services to those residents and businesses. Who pays for the police? Who pays for the fire protection. Who pays? I'll tell you who, the taxpayer.
by Frank LeChat
Mar 20, 2008 9:35 AM
I may be wrong, but I thought the I in I175 meant Interstate. How would a city have a right to change an interstate into a boulevard? And, don't we need it as part of our downtown evacuation plan?
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