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The Pinellas County Commission has a message for the Tampa Bay Rays:
We won't dedicate future property tax dollars generated by the redevelopment of Tropicana Field for your new ballpark. But when it comes to extending a 1-cent-on-the-dollar bed tax to cover costs, maybe we can play ball.
County leaders say they knew the Rays would eventually have to come to them if the team hoped to build its $450-million dream stadium on the St. Petersburg waterfront.
After months on the periphery, Pinellas officials weighed in Monday, days after Rays senior vice president Michael Kalt told the St. Petersburg Times that he envisioned a joint city-county partnership to help pay for the proposed project.
Until now, the focus had been on talks between the team and St. Petersburg officials.
Several county commissioners expressed frustration that the Rays hadn't come to them sooner. It didn't help that they learned of the team's new vision for funding the ballpark in the pages of the Times, rather than in face-to-face meetings.
"This is not being done smoothly," remarked County Commissioner Calvin Harris.
"It's kind of been awkward," said County Commissioner Ken Welch. "That's kind of the best word that I can come up with."
Though details are few, the Rays have said they're willing to pay $150-million for the ballpark's upfront construction costs. That leaves $300-million that needs to be found.
One idea that's been floated would involve using future property tax revenue from the redevelopment of the team's current home, Tropicana Field, to pay for the new waterfront stadium.
No chance, said Harris, voicing a position shared by fellow commissioners who face reduced revenue projections and are axing programs and people in next year's budget.
"Tax money, ad valorem tax money, is out of the question," Harris said. "I don't even want to talk about pledging tax dollars."
When told Monday of how the commission was leaning, the Rays' Kalt said the full financing proposal he plans to bring forward won't involve asking the county for property tax money.
Kalt declined to be specific, but said the plan will likely mimic the commitment the county and city made to build Tropicana Field.
Under that agreement, the county provides $5-million a year through a 1-cent-on-the-dollar bed tax charged for hotel stays. The city provides another $5-million through sales tax revenue.
The combined money is used to pay debt on bonds that St. Petersburg issued to build Tropicana Field.
The bed-tax penny the county now dedicates to Tropicana Field sunsets Sept. 30, 2015. But the penny could be extended and the money used to pay debt on bonds issued for the Rays' new ballpark.
A favorable recommendation from the county's Tourist Development Council and a simple-majority vote of the County Commission would be all that's needed.
"I think the bed tax makes the most sense," Welch said. "Property tax, I don't know how I could support that."
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There are several steps that must take place before the county could seriously consider extending the bed tax, Welch said.
First, St. Petersburg must choose a redevelopment partner for the Tropicana Field site. That could happen in early May.
Then the City Council will decide whether to put a referendum on developing the waterfront ballpark before St. Petersburg voters in November.
The first of three council votes needed to put the referendum on the ballot takes place June 5.
If those hurdles are cleared, Welch said the county could then play a role in the deal, but more specifics will be needed from the Rays.
Over the past month, Kalt said Rays executives had met with commissioners to inform them of team plans. Welch and other commissioners described those meetings as being about the Rays' vision for the new ballpark, not nuts-and-bolts discussions of how to pay for the project.
"We have received nothing at this point that's firm," Welch said. "The question is, 'What exactly we are being asked to do?' and that has not been clearly delineated by the Rays."
County Commissioner Karen Seel said the Rays have picked a bad time to come calling. Like her colleagues, Seel said property tax dollars were off-limits. But she also expressed doubts about tapping the bed tax.
The total bed tax, 5 cents on the dollar, is primarily used to market the county to tourists. It's also used to match federal and state beach renourishment grants, which are themselves in jeopardy, Seel said.
The bed tax, she said, is already stressed.
Late to the party
Kalt said he hoped to engage the full commission and offer more details when the ballpark's financing plan is complete. The plan could be ready in May.
For some commissioners, who feel they've been brought into discussions late, the timing and lack of specifics isn't helping the Rays' case.
"Everybody should have been involved from the beginning," Harris said. "If this is big time, you can't just do it in an 'aw, shucks' manner and make it work."
Not all commissioners are as critical. Commissioner Bob Stewart said he once felt miffed that the Rays were spending so much time courting St. Petersburg officials.
But no more.
"They have big fish to fry and major issues to solve," Stewart said. "They need to spend their time where that's required, and right now I think that's with the St. Pete city government, the citizens in St. Petersburg and the development proposals that are pending."
Will Van Sant can be reached at vansant@sptimes.com or (727) 445-4166.
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Comments on this article
by Kyle
Apr 24, 2008 6:25 PM
Lets just move back into the Florida Suncoast Dome if they want out of Tropicana Field.
by Dottie
Apr 24, 2008 11:52 AM
Let's vote on it right now! People are livid about the Rays greed and the city council's stupidity - this thing is going down in giant numbers. At least 80% against it and getting more every day.
by Melanie
Apr 23, 2008 3:45 PM
Dear Tony: That's what they said 15 years ago when they conned us into agreeing to building Tropicana Field, MORON!! You see where that's gotten us now, right? Everyone who's for this new field are TOURISTS And SNOW BIRDS!! They could
by D. Lee
Apr 23, 2008 3:37 PM
If my county is going to fund it, which I am opposed to, I want it located more centrally. Get it out of that knife and gun club called "St. Pete" and take it to mid county so we all can enjoy it as well as Tampa. St. Pete already blew thei
by Sylvia
Apr 23, 2008 3:28 PM
We have a losing team, now they want us to ruin our waterfront with a loser of a new stadium! Would more people attend losing games where parking is scarce and traffic is imposible and the heat & humidity are unbearable? NOT!
by Scott
Apr 23, 2008 11:09 AM
Government for the corporation by the corporation. Sounds like fascism to me and it is invading all aspects of our lives. This is but one example. It needs to stop but I fear the average American has their head in the sand. Argh!
by Barbara
Apr 23, 2008 11:09 AM
The Rays do not deserve a new stadium--especially at our expense in these economic times--leave them at the Trop or let them relocate!
by Paying too much tax $
Apr 23, 2008 11:08 AM
No, no, no! Vote these people out of office!
by Kyle
Apr 23, 2008 11:08 AM
Lets take the roof off the Trop and widen the ditch that runs next to it. Waterfront stadium on the cheap. Then the Rays could spend the money on players.
by Justin E
Apr 23, 2008 11:06 AM
The County leaders may be willing to play ball, but the county voters are not, and that's all that matters.
by Scott
Apr 23, 2008 11:06 AM
1/2 BILLION $$$ to move the Stadium 16 Blocks WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
by Dave
Apr 23, 2008 11:06 AM
Taxes are taxes. When is the public welfare going to be more important than sports? Baker, this ain't New York!! Vote no on this garbage!!
by Melanie
Apr 22, 2008 8:22 PM
Rex:We ARE where we came from!How about YOU go back to where YOU came from!Anyone who is for this new field DOES NOT remember the Tropicana Field fiasco and so therefore is NOT from here!A new stadium WILL NOT make downtown better!Not in this economy
by Glen
Apr 22, 2008 8:15 PM
Ad valorem, bed tax, sales tax,.. it doesn't matter what they call it. Every dollar spent on this boondoggle is one less we have for needed services and infrastructure. Police, fire, libraries, the list of needs doesn't include a shiny ne
by stadium opponent
Apr 22, 2008 8:14 PM
to new stadium advocate: fyi-downtown St. Pete already is vibrant--I work there every day. The Trop is just fine, don't mess up the waterfront.
by JIM
Apr 22, 2008 8:14 PM
Wait - I thought the Rays said there would be no public money spent for the new stadium...now we see them going to the county for $$$ and asking them to split costs with the City.....WHAT IS THE TRUTH HERE GUYS?
by Mike
Apr 22, 2008 8:09 PM
Let's make it work. A great opportunity to become a first class venue.
by tim
Apr 22, 2008 5:06 PM
I got an idea: Let the people vote on it. Huh?
by Eric
Apr 22, 2008 3:11 PM
When I go to a baseball game its to see the game not the waterfront. Just like I don't go to the beach to watch baseball. I go to see the beach and the water.
by SCOTT
Apr 22, 2008 2:57 PM
THE CITIZENS VOTED AGAINST THE FIRST STADIUM TWICE ! AND THEY STILL BUILT IT. IT IS VERY APPARENT NEITHER THE CITY OR COUNTY OFFICALS CARE WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS WANT. THEY NEVER DO !
by new stadium advocate
Apr 22, 2008 1:07 PM
I am not a baseball fan, but the residents of the city of St. Petersburg will benefit from this project. Creating a vibrant downtown will provide a positive economic impact to everyone -homeowners, renters, and business owners alike.
by Dave
Apr 22, 2008 1:05 PM
This proposed open-air stadium is a "BAIT & SWITCH" SCAM. ADDED $$ COSTS T0 US will only be revealed later when the Rays proclaim that by an overwhelming outcry from the public, the new revised enclosed design will incorporate a re
by JT
Apr 22, 2008 1:03 PM
Square it up for us how swaping a penny sales tax to remove the state school tax burden would be a terrible thing for retail/toursim but using a penny of bedtax would be a great thing for retail/tourism? Special interest groups rule the day, VOTE NO
by kitty
Apr 22, 2008 12:58 PM
Rex, this IS where I came from, and my husband as well. We moved away while he spent a career in the military and moved back when he retired. We're in our mid-late 40s and believe YOU are the one who needs to go back to where you came from.
by kitty
Apr 22, 2008 12:51 PM
I saw a story on the local news this morning that the County saw a record increase in the number of homeowners that didn't pay their property taxes this year. If the county agrees to be part of this boondoggle, I plan to not pay my taxes.
by Cornelius
Apr 22, 2008 11:33 AM
To many people struggling to make ends meet. Need fire,police stations,schools,and higher salaries for all those that work in these careers. Sheriff Dept. may curtail car use by Deputies, shame on the Rays,teachers paying for supplies out of pocket??
by Mark
Apr 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Only small-minded people believe a taxpayer supported sports stadium will make a city important. Would New York, Chicago or LA be any less important cities if their teams left? How many have moved to Green Bay or Indianapolis for their teams?
by Rex
Apr 22, 2008 11:30 AM
Yes, Yes, Yes! Let's move our city forward.
Out with "old"...
In with the new!!!
Don't like it? Move back to where you came from.
by Steve
Apr 22, 2008 11:30 AM
If the St. Pete City Council doesn't have the conviction to serve its constituents against this financial & waterfront land grab by the Rays, then the good citizens of St. Petersburg will explain it to them in the up coming election. We will
by Amanda
Apr 22, 2008 11:30 AM
As a Rays fan, as much as I would love to see a new waterfront stadium, now is NOT the time. I'd love a new BMW too, but if you can't afford something, you can't afford it. Gotta be realistic in this economy
by cab
Apr 22, 2008 11:27 AM
St. Pete is a nice city it will never be a major city. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. A new stadium will only waste tax payers dollars when Pinellas is cutting services. It's time for the commishs to wake up and prioritize county needs.
by Dave
Apr 22, 2008 11:13 AM
If the county buys into this project, which would be an enormous mistake, they should take the opportunity to centralize the location so the entire county could more easily enjoy if and save a little fuel, too. I vote for Toytown where it belongs.
by Andrew
Apr 22, 2008 11:12 AM
The Rays are still a joke.
Sitting at 8-11 and now asking for tax dollars...We all knew it would come to this.
I gotta hand it to Stuart Sternberg..He's got some brass ones seeking public money for this pathetic organization.
by Cornelius
Apr 22, 2008 11:12 AM
Love sports but not corporate welfare. Have all the current owners disclose their tax returns, how they made their money and go back to where they made their money and not bleed the taxpayers. Successful Hedge Funders should stay where they made it.
by Cornelius
Apr 22, 2008 11:11 AM
Those that vote yes should pay the tax. Those that vote no, should not pay the tax. Those that do not vote, should not pay tax. This tax is property tax. Cut the team payroll by $10 million a year. More important issues than players driving HUMMERS.
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