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Pinellas' 911 response scrutinized due to the high price of redundancy
By
Will Van Sant, Times Staff Writer
In print: Sunday, April 27, 2008
From left, rescue workers Pete Gushee, Sarah Happs, Mark Viola, Chad Nash and Brian Herbon leave the scene of an emergency call in Clearwater. Happs and Herbon are with Sunstar, the others are from Clearwater Fire and Rescue station 45.
Call 911 for medical help in Pinellas County, and get ready for some company.
First there's the fire department's rescue truck with at least one paramedic, plus a colleague.
Then there's the private ambulance with two attendants.
You might even get a fire engine with an additional three or more rescuers.
And you get this posse whether you are trapped inside your mangled SUV, have overdosed on pills or just sprained your ankle.
It's a Rolls-Royce response — with a Rolls-Royce price tag.
In Pinellas, the cost of a 911 medical response last year started at $400. Taxpayers picked up more than half the tab.
By comparison, in Hillsborough County many medical calls get only an ambulance, with the cost starting at $226, plus mileage. Not a dime of that is local tax money.
The difference is that Pinellas — unlike most communities nationwide — sends fire rescue units and ambulances to virtually every medical call, no matter how small.
Now, with money tight, Pinellas officials are considering a bold step: Send fewer fire rescue units to minor medical calls.
It's called priority dispatch.
Advocates say it could save money — millions of dollars up front and perhaps $10-million over a decade.
Pinellas fire rescue units went to 133,688 medical calls last year, seven times the number of fires they handled. Go to fewer calls, the thinking is, and you need less equipment and personnel. So the county could cut tax support to local fire districts.
That could mean a bloody political fight.
But all involved concede that with local tax dollars stressed, the current system may be unsustainable. And each time emergency vehicles are on the road with lights and sirens, the danger of an accident follows in their wake.
"It's crazy," said Chuck Kearns, director of the county's EMS & Fire Administration. "It's risking people's lives. It's wasting people's money. It's not necessary."
• • •
In the world of emergency medical response, there are two camps — fire rescue and ambulance — that traditionally compete for calls. In Pinellas, both groups say the system is flawed.
And both argue the other side needs to change.
"The biggest problem is trying to get people to get past their little kingdoms and do what's best for the taxpayer," said Seminole fire Chief Dan Graves, president of the Pinellas County Fire Chiefs Association. "Nobody is guiltless in this game."
The players are Sunstar Emergency Medical Services, a private company based in Tyler, Texas, and the county's 19 publicly run fire rescue districts. Both respond to calls with paramedics capable of delivering advanced life support care.
Sunstar has an exclusive contract with the county, and its passengers are charged fees for hospital rides. The county collects the money, which goes to pay Sunstar — $32.7-million this year.
Pinellas' fire rescue districts — from St. Petersburg down to little ones like Belleair Bluffs — operate paramedic units funded by a countywide property tax. That operation will cost taxpayers $38.5-million this year.
Fire rescue usually arrives sooner than ambulances and can manage incident scenes, but rarely ferries victims to hospitals.
When this expensive apparatus gears up, the response is often disproportionate to the medical need.
Take 911 medical calls from nursing homes. Residents fall or something worrisome turns up in a blood test. What these residents nearly always require, at most, is a trip to the hospital to be checked out.
Last year Sunstar ambulances provided 6,273 hospital transports in response to 911 calls from nursing homes. And fire rescue went to each call, too.
The minimum response, an ambulance and a fire rescue unit, cost $400 last year — $224 from taxpayers for the fire rescue unit and $176 from patients and their insurance for the ambulance.
Now consider Hillsborough County, which prioritizes calls and doesn't send fire rescue to every scene.
Take that nursing home patient. She fell and injured an elbow, but is alert, breathing fine and isn't bleeding. She'll get an ambulance only — though typically not one with a paramedic — and be charged as little as $226, plus $10 per mile, for a ride to the hospital for an X-ray.
There's no local tax money involved.
In Hillsborough last year, more than 10 percent of medical 911 calls — 7,927 — were given the lowest priority. An ambulance responded, but not fire rescue.
• • •
In priority dispatch, 911 call takers ask a series of brief medical questions to gauge the severity of the call.
The goal, said EMS director Kearns, is "to send the right response, the right way, the first time."
In Pinellas, 911 call takers determine the location of the caller and the nature of the emergency. They don't assess whether a medical call is critical. Instead, fire rescue units are immediately dispatched.
Then the call is routed to Sunstar paramedics, who send an ambulance and determine whether the situation is serious. If it's not life-threatening, they can downgrade the call, possibly slowing the response.
In 2007, 41 percent of fire rescue medical responses were downgraded after Sunstar's over-the-telephone evaluation, but by that time units were already on the road, lights and sirens on.
"Sending fire rescue units to nearly 100 percent of medical 911 calls puts them in a small minority of systems," said Alan Craig, deputy chief of Toronto EMS and a noted researcher in the field. "That's a very unusual practice."
Depending on how you define urgent and critical, only 5 to 30 percent of 911 medical calls merit paramedic response, Craig said. Only 1 to 3 percent are truly dire, requiring resuscitation.
When fire personnel aren't medically necessary, Craig said they can offer other valuable skills, such as managing hazards at incidents. The question, he said, is whether what they add is worth the risk and expense.
"Does the community want two vehicles responding with lights and sirens to obviously minor calls and going through intersections and possibly colliding with other traffic?" Craig said.
Graves, president of the fire chiefs association, worries that reducing fire rescue units would mean fewer resources for other jobs, like fighting fires, and longer response times to medical calls.
"It's just kind of a domino effect," Graves said. "Response time is definitely going to suffer."
• • •
Today's system took root after the 1978 death of Ronnie Redwine, a case where the failure to respond sparked public outrage.
A car struck the 16-year-old on Park Boulevard, throwing him 100 feet. As he was dying, Pinellas Park paramedics refused to respond because Redwine's body lay just outside the city limits. As seconds ticked away, two private ambulance companies were contacted. Neither had units available.
Redwine's death led to an act of the state Legislature and a public referendum that culminated in 1988 with the establishment of the current system.
The reforms included an agreement that the closest available unit would respond to calls, even if that meant crossing from one city into another.
From Redwine's death a robust, resource-rich, system grew. But it's often redundant, sometimes ridiculously so.
"We're guilty on both sides," said interim County Administrator Fred Marquis, who helped develop the system. "It's crazy sometimes what ends up showing up."
• • •
Twenty years later, change would require the political will to take on entrenched interests.
Politicians are wary of crossing fire unions and being seen as weak on public safety; the county has long done business with the private ambulance industry.
Turf battles are likely. Fire officials point out that ambulances make unnecessary runs, too. About 30 percent of ambulance calls, for instance, don't result in a patient transport.
One option fire officials like is getting involved in the transport business themselves. In many places, fire rescue units handle both emergency medical care and hospital trips.
That could offer Pinellas fire personnel a buffer against reduced staffing levels.
Union chief John Little, president of the Pinellas County Council of Firefighters, supports having fire rescue handle transports and dismisses priority dispatch as a power grab.
"They are trying to take calls away from us so that they can take money away from us," Little said.
Sunstar's chief operating officer Mark Postma is open to reducing the number of ambulance runs that don't result in hospital transports. But he's opposed to fire rescue units ferrying patients to hospitals.
"We have a contract with Pinellas County to do transports," Postma said, "and we would like to see that stay in place."
When officials have tried to confront the system's inefficiencies in the past they became bogged down in issues of union clout and job security, said County Commission Chairman Bob Stewart.
But it's worth trying again.
"We ought to ask the tough questions and come up with a transparent decision as to what serves us best," Stewart said. "That's a long-term project."
Given the challenge, an abrupt overhaul is impossible, said Assistant County Administrator James Dates, who is working on the move to priority dispatch.
The key is starting small, adjusting responses to obviously noncritical calls, getting both sides to change their practices and renegotiating county contracts with the fire districts to trim the number of funded rescue units.
"This is something that has been talked about and talked about and not really pushed to the forefront," Dates said. "Now we have to look at it. We can't wait any longer."
[Last modified: Apr 29, 2008 02:49 PM]
Comments on this article
by Curious
Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM
I’m surprised there has been no mention of the new 84 Million dollar Sheriff’s office and Emergency Communications Center. What a waste of tax payer money that will be if no changes are made within the EMS system!
by Curious
Apr 27, 2008 10:36 AM
With that being said, why not have the Sunstar Paramedics be the primary 9-1-1 call takers given their education, experience and qualifications. No one should have to be transferred to a higher level of care!
by Curious
Apr 27, 2008 10:31 AM
Funny, all of this talk about Priority Dispatch and saving tax payers money. To perform TRUE Priority Dispatch you must be the first one to receive the call.
by wendy
Apr 27, 2008 10:31 AM
And Guess who transports in Hillsborough County? The Fire Department. Not private. Same with Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Pasco County and so forth. Yeah, it is more cost effective. Check it out.Why go to Canada to get the answer they wanted to hear.
by Medic
Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM
3 FD = 1 to write report, 1 to start an IV and give meds, 1 to put on heart monitor and give oxygen, and then 2 sunstar, 1 for compressions, 1 for ventilation, yes thats 5 people to work a code. Congratulations cant we all get along.
by Medic
Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM
Rolls Royce response? Well I guess we could go back to throwing the patient in the back of a hearse if you want cheap. Or if you want to live provide medics and enough people to do the job right. Anyone who has received serious injury agrees.
by Pat
Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM
I just love that Mr. Stewart says "That's a long term project." Hillsborough Co. already has a good plan in place which we could adopt. No, it's not a long term project, Mr. Stewart. I live near "siren alley", ugh, th
by John
Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM
Sunstar can't handle the call volume. Sunday the 27th at 09:30. Sunstar holding 5 calls unable to send Ambulance. FD only unit responding
by John
Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM
What happens when Sunstar can't send a unit, you wait in line. Doesn't matter if your having a heart attack or sprained ankle. Sunstar sends amb in order call is received to avoid a fine imposed by the county. Fined if not onscene in 10
by John
Apr 27, 2008 10:09 AM
FD is needed to respond because Sunstar can not staff enough units to handle the demand for 911 calls. Sunday the 27 at 09:30 Sunstar has been unable to send Ambulances to 5 EMS calls for help, FD only responding for many minutes.
by Carol
Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM
We ought to get a county wide dispatch system for EVERYTHING. Police and Fire. These individual dispatch services is silly and costly. Gather ALL the dispatchers into one location - train them properly and supervise them even better. Save money.
by Carol
Apr 27, 2008 10:08 AM
Nice story, but guess what - nothing will change. I suggested a county wide dispatch for police AND fire, as well as your story. This story will fade out by tomorrow. No followup's will be done, even though needed. Oh well, nice one-da
by gene
Apr 27, 2008 10:07 AM
tks.i am a retired seminolr firefighter and i ALWAYS believed that the way pinellas couny is WASTING taxpayers money by the what they call the 2 tear system. ifeel that fire depts should transport ppl and not have sunstar at all.we pay for 911 throug
by Brian
Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM
Why does the county constantly feel the need to tell the cities what to do? It is time for City politicians and leaders to stand up and excercise their rights.
by donna
Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM
Yes- 911 for a sprained ankle is hyperbole.And nursing homes call Sunstar for non-emergency transport when the blood-work is bad ,not 911.
by Brian
Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM
Sunstar should go bye bye, The Fire departments whom are almost all Paramedics could handle the job and do there own transports just like Hillsborough. Joe Guys like you are the ones whom are not needed.
by John
Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM
We constantly respond emergency to calls received by Sunstar for Non-emergency transports. A nurse calls and asks for a non-emergency transport, and paramedic dispatcher at Sunstar upgrades the call to an emergency response.
by Brian
Apr 27, 2008 9:31 AM
Taxpayers already pay for Fire/Ems through there taxes, why should we pay a private company 38million a year to run ambulances when most county departments can do the job Themselves. Orange county just got rid of Private ambulances. Check it out!!!
by get real
Apr 27, 2008 9:05 AM
Well, I can say one thing when or if I am injured or sick, I hope I will be fortunate enough to be in Pinellas. Cross the county line to the north and if your in a minor accident in the rain the fire units are not likely to stop, let alone check you
by Sunstar BLS
Apr 27, 2008 9:05 AM
I agree that the dispatch centers should be 1 and that the Sunstar EMD's should take the call first but Sunstar BLS, why not fire BLS.
by Retired LEO
Apr 27, 2008 8:50 AM
If law enforcement gets on scene first and discovers that there is no injuries and calls FD and tells them , they still keeping coming lights and sirens. I was told by a fire chief one time to pad the stats, so it looks like they got more calls.
by Jerry
Apr 27, 2008 8:50 AM
We need to prioritize and screen the calls better send only what is needed. Nursing home can advise if it is emergency or not. Hillsborough does NOT have the answer. County FD & centralized dispatching FD, PD & Sunstar all agencies in 1 ro
by tash
Apr 27, 2008 8:50 AM
911 call for a sprained ankle? i pray that was hyperbole
by Dispatcher
Apr 27, 2008 8:50 AM
I like the Hillsborough County System. Fire Rescue goes to ALS calls, and a private ambulance responds to BLS calls. Also, both county and Sunstar have independent Communications Centers that could be combined to save money. Make Sunstar BLS.
by Joe
Apr 27, 2008 8:50 AM
As a paramedic in Pinellas county, I agree that we need priority dispatch and Fire needs not to respond to all calls. They only want to run medical calls so they can show that they are needed. I think that if its not on fire, then they are not needed
by frankie
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
An emergency call for a sprained ankle may be a more ominous call. The patient may have suffered a stroke or a heart attack,which resulted in the fall There is so much other waste in government that the general public doesn't see Lets cut the Li
by Joan
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
When I saw a woman fall hard face-first onto a pavement I insisted on having paramedics check her out. Lo and behold though I told the call-taker this was precautionary, fire rescue and an ambulance arrived with lights and sirens. Re-t
by Paul
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
This is the most expensive system in Florida if not the United States, it is a big waste of money, total redundency and the tax payer gets stuck with the bill. This is a good example of how our tax dollars are not being used wisely.
by ryan
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
you think theres a problem in Pinellas take a look at pasco county they will be stuck on a nausea and flu like symptom but have chest pain and non breathers go out with no one close to send because there running non emergency calls all day
by mark
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
iam from ohio. i always thought it was strange to send a fire truck when there is no fire. another waste of tax money
by R911Dsptchr
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
We use EMD here and it saves alot of money.FD only responds to the most serious calls and are NOT Paramedics. They do not transport , Rural Metro handles the EMS end of it ... works very well. The FD is not needed on 90% of these calls anyway.
by Don
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
I guess they want a free ride on everything. If you dont like the service,the next time you drop your coffee cup on your toe, call youre inlaws in NY to come and get you. Then you wont be suing the city for slow response.Its only 1400 miles away.
by get real
Apr 27, 2008 8:49 AM
Pinellas is one of the finest EMS systems in the WORLD, use it once and you won't be complaining. Chuck Kearns shame on you, you are the FIRE and EMS administrator, you wear the uniform of a fire chief, but we know you are really just a SS para
by get real
Apr 27, 2008 8:48 AM
Well, I can say one thing when or if I am injured or sick, I hope I will be fortunate enough to be in Pinellas. Cross the county line to the north and if your in a minor accident in the rain the fire units are not likely to stop, let alone check you
by Jul
Apr 27, 2008 7:38 AM
Very good information. Thank you for pointing out. Something needs to be done, such as countywide Fire. . .
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