The surrogate
It begins with a woman who yearns for a baby and another who is willing and able to give her one. You can imagine the motives of the prospective parents. But what about the woman willing to carry a baby, give birth and then walk away?
Friday Night Rewind It doesn't matter which team you cheer for. We've got video previews of every high school football program in Hillsborough, Pinellas, Pasco and Hernando County.
ST. PETERSBURG — Residents of St. Petersburg want the opportunity to vote on the Tampa Bay Rays' $450-million waterfront stadium proposal, but a majority of voters oppose the project, according to an exclusive St. Petersburg Times/Bay News 9 poll.
Sixty percent of residents said the City Council should schedule a November referendum on the stadium proposal rather than stop the process altogether.
But 68 percent oppose the Rays' complex stadium and redevelopment plan, according to the poll of 601 St. Petersburg voters on May 27-28.
The poll signals that the team faces significant hurdles before the plan could be approved. In a similar survey by the Times last November, only 44 percent of voters said they did not support the Rays' plan.
But the latest poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points, also supports the Rays' case for settling the stadium issue by a citywide vote.
The City Council is scheduled on June 5 to make the first of three necessary votes to schedule a referendum. The other votes are scheduled July 17 and Aug. 7.
"We're encouraged that the people want to vote ... it seems like a pretty clear mandate," said Rays senior vice president Michael Kalt.
But "we know we've got a lot of work to do to convince people," Kalt said. "We know we have our work cut out for us."
Parking, cost emerge as key issues
Though a debate over the merits of a new stadium may be raging, on one point most everyone agrees:
Parking will be a problem at a downtown 34,000-seat ballpark.
An overwhelming 82 percent of city voters say downtown lacks the parking needed for a new ballpark at Al Lang Field. Only 9 percent said parking wasn't an issue.
"Downtown St. Petersburg is already congested. I don't go there," said city resident Kate Petroczy, 57. "There's not enough safe parking. And I emphasize safe."
But parking is not the Rays' largest problem.
More than 50 percent of voters said "the cost to taxpayers" was one of their biggest concerns.
And when asked if voters would be willing to extend tax payments at Tropicana Field to pay for a new stadium, 59 percent said no.
The extension of tax payments — split roughly between the city and the county — is the crux of the Rays' financing plan.
The team says it will contribute $150-million to the project with the extension of government tax payments generating an additional $175-million. The rest of the money would come from the sale of Tropicana Field and parking revenues created by the new ballpark.
The Rays contend that the public investment will be offset by the new revenues generated from the redevelopment of Tropicana Field.
City leaders were unsure how to interpret the poll.
On one hand, voters seem ready for a public referendum. On the other, they are highly skeptical of the Rays' proposal.
Some city leaders speculated that voters wanted to give the Rays more time to make their case, or that voters want to definitively end all talk about a new stadium.
"My guess is people typically lean toward having the right to vote," said Mayor Rick Baker.
City Council member Jeff Danner said it might be related to the city's decision to build Tropicana Field, which was made without a referendum.
"You hear a lot of people who say it should go to referendum and let the people decide," Danner said. "I think that comes from the fact that people didn't get to decide last time. I think there's a lot of people who want a referendum so they can vote no."
Added council member Herb Polson: "What your poll is telling me is, 'Give us the chance to vote so we can say no because we don't want it on the Al Lang site.'"
Six months before potential city vote
Boosted by the news that voters support a referendum, the Rays sought to downplay the level of concern among voters.
The whole story, the Rays say, has yet to be shared.
Agreements have yet to be reached on a financing plan, the redevelopment of Tropicana Field, a workable parking plan for a ballpark downtown, and a stadium lease between the city and the team.
"We're six months through a 12-month process," Kalt said. "We think we can overcome (the skepticism). It requires us doing a better job of connecting with people."
Kalt also suggested that the random telephone survey may not be completely accurate. Only 6 percent of poll respondents were African-American residents. Citywide, African-American residents make up 19.6 percent of all registered voters.
The Rays' have been courting African-American voters based on the potential opportunities created by the redevelopment of Tropicana Field.
On Friday, the local branches of the NAACP and Urban League, along with two local African-American pastors held a press conference at City Hall supporting a referendum.
City Council chairman Jamie Bennett, who estimates that the proposal has a 20 percent chance of succeeding, said that a public vote may be the only way to put the stadium question behind residents.
"You're going to keep talking about this until we decide," Bennett said. "If you don't have that vote, there won't be finality."
For more results of the poll, see the Times' new stadium blog, Ballpark Frankness, at blogs.tampabay.com/ballpark.
60%
say City Council should schedule a referendum for November; 37% say the council should stop the process now.
57%
strongly oppose the Rays' proposal; 11% somewhat oppose; 19% strongly or somewhat favor it.
56%
say the cost to taxpayers is one of the biggest concerns.
82%
say there isn't enough parking downtown to accommodate a new ballpark.
Survey of 601 St. Petersburg voters
Margin of error: +/- 4%
[Last modified: Jun 08, 2008 12:30 PM]
Comments on this article
by Martee
Jun 8, 2008 12:30 PM
I'm 63 and I love to go to events at Vinoy Park but the parking problem more often than not keeps me away. What happens when there is a game and a downtown event. A 34,000 seat stadium on the waterfront is a STUPID idea council! Get Real
by phylliss
Jun 6, 2008 8:18 PM
voters should vote . where is our right to vote? why should city council have to vote for us to vote. come on now. damn builders . we have enough problems right now........just let us the voters decide not a council to vote to let us vote .
by McLovin
Jun 5, 2008 12:37 PM
If my baseball teams leaves the area, I blame all of those who didn't vote for the stadium. You all clearly aren't very big baseball fans. Tropicana Field is great, but it's old for an age where everything has room for improvement.
by Pat
Jun 5, 2008 12:37 PM
I wasn't going to comment but once again I suspect the Rays have frightened or paid off every union member in town to say how much they want this boondoggle. The residents of St. Pete don't want it. It should be clear by now. Count the signs!
by Allan
Jun 2, 2008 4:17 PM
Recall the entire City Council, mayor Baker, and police chief Harmon. Strip them of their offices. Make them work at McDonald's for minimum wage.
by TOM
Jun 2, 2008 4:17 PM
SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO NOT USE THEIR BRAINS
by tom
Jun 2, 2008 4:17 PM
I THINK THEY PUT A RETRACABLE ROOF ON THE TROP. YOU GOT ALL THE PARKING AND YOU HAVE A 43000 SEATING. SO TAKE THAT IDEA TO THE CITY.
by Kim
Jun 2, 2008 4:17 PM
Well take a vote of the people in the south side only. Ask 1,000 in that area and see what they might do about the vote on the stadium. Who will have to pay for the soil removeal at the trop and who will pay for all the over runs on the new stadium?
by billy
Jun 2, 2008 4:16 PM
this downtown stadium idea will be a disaster for downtown st. petersburg. what's wrong with tropicana field? if that team needs a new stadium, then build it in the burbs or in tampa. stop shoving this thing down our throats.
by Sean
Jun 2, 2008 4:16 PM
You people are crazy if you spend money on this right now. We are headed into a global depression! This is insanely bad timing to propose this. Sorry folks, make due with the current place till the smoke clears. If it clears.
by John
Jun 2, 2008 4:15 PM
1/3 want it stopped now. Mayor Baker, City council, be prepared for a campaign against this that will make the Albert Whitted referendum campaign look like a zoning request for 1 acre on 54th ave N.
by Ian
Jun 2, 2008 4:15 PM
I am a Rays fan and have been for several years. I endured the bad times and have sat in the Trop on so many nights with only a few thousand other sufferers. Now we have a team, I really want ownership to explain why we need a new stadium.
by Rex
Jun 2, 2008 4:13 PM
Some of the loudest critics (the genesis of those lovely red signs) live downtown. They cry "save our waterfront!" Not sure if they noticed there has been a stadium there for 80 years, or that they are protesting from a balcony of a souless condo...
by Silent Majority
Jun 2, 2008 4:13 PM
This frustrates me to no end. This is good for Saint Pete - do we want to go back in time? We are very lucky to have a Major League team; please dont ruin it. Must we always be "God's waiting room?" This is fun and exciting, why the negativity?
by Ralph
Jun 2, 2008 4:09 PM
Aaron writes: The whole story, the Rays say, has yet to be shared. Why not? Questions remaining: a financing plan, redevelopment of Trop. Fld, parking , & a stadium lease between the city and the team. How can Council put something on the referendum that has so many ?ifs??
by Melissa
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM
With all those opposing there shouldn't even be an issue about the stadium. No new stadium, save our waterfront.
by Allan
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Recall mayor Baker and all city councilpeople. Fire police chief Harmon. Jail any police officer who has killed any unarmed civilian in the past 60 years. Jail any St. Pete Times editor of this site who prevents my ideas from seeing daylight.
by Jim
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM
BUILD IT! Let's make St. Pete a major league downtown. The shopping district at the Trop will bring in millions of revenue to the city. St Pete and all of Pinellas county currently lacks quality shopping. LET'S BUILD THIS BALLPARK!
by Mike
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Memo to RAYS: Pick up and find a town that wants you - we ain't it. You have become a luxury we can no longer support. Shoot, the attendance average of 12k fans should be your 1st clue. Become the Orlando Rays or (put the name of a town here) Rays.
by Mike
Jun 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Here is the irony: when you leave, and a huge financial vacuum is created, the ?City? will be blamed for letting you get a way not the shortsightedness of the voters.
by nzjunky
Jun 2, 2008 3:00 PM
Awesome...vote it down St. Pete. The Rays are coming to TAMPA!
by Murf
Jun 2, 2008 3:00 PM
There are numerous parking garages downtown so I think the parking issue can be worked out. Since Al Lang does not have Spring Training anymore that site is prime for another condo complex. Would much rather see a new stadium on the site. GO RAYS!!!
by Lopaka
Jun 2, 2008 3:00 PM
If the Rays' owners were really smart, they would buy out the Trop lease and move to a town that might actually appreciate them, e.g., Charlotte or New Oleans.
If the majority were right, the majority would be rich.
by jb
Jun 2, 2008 3:00 PM
"WOW",68%,So when are you going to break ground?
by Citizen
Jun 2, 2008 3:00 PM
Here's how to interpret the poll -- MOST OF US DO NOT WANT THAT STADIUM!
How much clearer does it have to get. DO NOT SPEND TAXPAYER $$$ TO BUILD THAT BALLPARK!! use PRIVATE money if you want it that bad.
Subscribe to the Times
Click here for daily delivery
of the St. Petersburg Times.