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Referendum on Rays' stadium reaches first base

By Aaron Sharockman, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, June 6, 2008


St. Petersburg Council member Herb Polson voted against holding a July public hearing on a Rays’ stadium referendum.
St. Petersburg Council member Herb Polson voted against holding a July public hearing on a Rays’ stadium referendum.
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ST. PETERSBURG — The Tampa Bay Rays' path to a November stadium referendum passed a critical test Thursday, but City Council members remained nowhere close to endorsing the $1-billion-plus stadium and redevelopment plan.

By the end of Thursday's meeting, many even seemed resigned to thinking the Rays' proposal will surely fail.

"We're making a reservation for the referendum. Period," said council member Leslie Curran, making sure no one interpreted larger meaning behind her support. In fact, Curran asked Rays' officials to delay the stadium question altogether, which the Rays said they would not do.

Curran later called their decision "bull-headed."

"The people historically in this city they really have a problem with giving up the waterfront," said City Council Chairman Jamie Bennett, who was already talking about alternative locations. "Anybody who's lived in this city ... it's engraved on their heart: Protect that waterfront."

Still, the council voted 7-1 to schedule a first public hearing on a referendum July 17. Only Herb Polson, who has complained about the time frame associated with the Rays' proposal, voted no.

The council also rejected without a vote an alternative referendum proposal by council member Karl Nurse. Nurse's proposal, which was taken from stadium opponents, would have prohibited a 34,000-seat baseball stadium being built on the downtown waterfront.

If both the Rays' proposal and Nurse's measure passed in November, the one with the most votes would have been adopted.

Council members called the alternative confusing.

"This is really muddying the waters," council member Bill Dudley said. "We are trying to keep it simple."

The debate lasted more than two hours in council chambers, which was largely empty compared with previous stadium discussions.

Much of the meeting followed a familiar script. Administration officials made presentations about what they know, and council members criticized them, and the Rays, for not knowing more.

At one point, Mayor Rick Baker said Polson was "barking" to his staff.

"If I choose to bark, you will hear it," Polson responded, which was followed by an apology from Baker.

Council members did, however, receive new information regarding both the redevelopment of Tropicana Field and the cost to build the $450-million stadium.

On Tropicana Field, city internal services administrator Mike Connors said that it may cost as little as $94,000 to haul away the last 1,550 cubic yards of contaminated soil underneath a portion of the Tropicana parking lot.

The number is just a fraction of estimates tossed out by opponents of the stadium.

"We've been hearing ... it's going to cost millions of dollars in mitigation," said council member Bill Dudley. "That the stadium was built on some kind of really bad contaminated soil and they just covered up really quick. So those are just urban myths?"

Those statements, Connors said, were "inaccurate."

And on financing, city officials also offered a new detail: Bids from Archstone-Madison and Hines to purchase Tropicana Field fall $2-million to $6-million short of the $70-million needed to pay off the remaining debt at the Trop.

The city officials said they believe developers may either increase their offers or that another solution could be reached.

Baker, who is yet uncommitted on the Rays' proposal, urged council members to keep negotiations open nevertheless.

"We're at the point where we have the information we have and we don't have the information we don't have," Baker said. "The real question is, does council want to continue the process of evaluating the proposal over the next couple of months?

"If by August we don't all have the comfort levels, this doesn't go anywhere."

Times staff writer Cristina Silva contributed to this report.


What they're saying

What they're saying on Ballpark Frankness, the Times' new stadium blog. Join the discussion at blogs.tampabay.com/ballpark.

• "Label our system of government whatever you want. The fact is the City Council took the appropriate steps today and they should be applauded."

• "Silverman and Kalt looked to two schoolboys getting scolded for not turning in their homework ... every single council member stated, if they had to vote today, they ALL vote would be NO!!"

• "Seven out of 8 voted to allow the Rays until August to complete the details. They were not voting to build the stadium. I am strongly against the proposal – I think that's clear. I also agree the Rays should get until August to provide the complete details."

• "Nobody ever mentions ALL the donations the Rays give back to the community ... If POWW agrees to donate as much as the Rays do if the Rays leave, I'll change my vote to a no for them."


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Comments on this article
by ChrisBryan Jun 10, 2008 5:04 PM
Obviously they should just move the dome - it would save time, money, and fighting between the two groups. www.movethedome.com for a new option to an old problem
by Charles Jun 9, 2008 3:28 PM
The Rays suck, always have always will. The owners want to make a profit for the pockets, not build a strong team. Bye bye losers. You won't be missed, unlike your batting.
by Pam Jun 9, 2008 2:43 PM
I can't believe they don't want to boost the economy dwtn. If they are really worried about the waterfront they wouldn't let the Vinoy Park have all those events where thousands of people come in trample the park and throw things into the water.
by Homey Jun 9, 2008 10:18 AM
It is OBVIOUS to anyone with a brain in thier head that the Rays owners are strong arming the city of St. Pete for a reason!They're squeezng everyone's necks so that they can get something through that is illegitimate and crooked! You can bet your...
by Michael Jun 8, 2008 12:36 PM
Much of the image I have of St. Pete is boring white matching houses, late night street walkers and dilapidated warehouses. Yes, life is expensive, but so is sitting around moaning and doing nothing. We are part of our American pastime. Play ball.
by John Jun 8, 2008 9:08 AM
For those how state that a new stadium will draw people to downtown, do YOU go to BayWalk at night? Didn't think so! Clean up downtown first. Baseball is not the end all be all for downtown St Pete.
by Susan Jun 7, 2008 8:12 AM
How can the taxpayers vote in Nov. on a dream and a set of plans? The $ does not work, the parking does not work, they prob. won't get enviro permits. What's to vote on? "Projections" Council needs to act responsibly. If there are stlil ?? in Aug.=No
by Steve Jun 6, 2008 8:18 PM
The Times can yap for another two months. Won't matter. The City Council can continue acting as if they know what is happening around them. It won't matter. What will matter is the vote of the citizens in November. That will matter.
by K Jun 6, 2008 8:07 PM
City Council's vote was a disservice to the residents of St Pete..they all know there is not enough info from the Rays & we all know the Rays will not answers all the questions in time. Next vote by Council should be NO, very loud and very clear.
by K Jun 6, 2008 8:06 PM
This should not be about how much the Rays of donated to the community either but about how much this will cost the taxpayers & what our return would be, which everyone seems to avoid addressing..think about the failure of the Trop in generating bznz
by Dave Jun 6, 2008 8:06 PM
DEMAND NO GIVE-AWAY OF OUR PUBLIC MONEY, ASSETS OR SERVICES TO THESE MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL BIG PROFITEERS! These slick scoundrels talk out of both sides of their mouths. When the presumptuous rogues go down hard in November, don't let them back up!
by George Jun 6, 2008 8:05 PM
Americans need to have the right to vote -- on anything! Polson shows that he is with the side that is against allowing Americans to vote.
by allang Jun 6, 2008 7:55 PM
the land in question is a baseball stadium now...what better way to honor al lang than to build a state of the art stadium. Build it for AL!
by chris Jun 6, 2008 7:54 PM
I'm confused...the current use for that part of the waterfront is for baseball...and always has been...so the council's concern is bogus...i'm a voter in st pete...i want our council to get out of the way.
by Val Jun 6, 2008 7:53 PM
The satdium would ADD to the waterfront exponentially!With Fla.Power PK there now it is virtually unused anyway!The stadium will NOT block the waterfornt!We have a bountiful amount of waterfront park:make a small,LESS USED portion of it WORK for us!
by Gary Jun 6, 2008 7:52 PM
Rays donating money back to the community? It is our money that they are donating.
by Tom Jun 6, 2008 7:52 PM
"We're at the point where we have the information we have and we don't have the information we don't have," Baker said. Wow... ummm... brilliant?
by San Jun 6, 2008 7:51 PM
This picture says a thousand words ; Mayor no courage , and has no accomplishments after 8 yrs. sees his future going down the drain . Statewide office ? What about the School Board ?
by Dil Jun 6, 2008 7:48 PM
I am still going vote against Polson for voting to not allow me to vote for or against the proposal . This guy has been around City Hall too long !
by John Jun 6, 2008 7:47 PM
Why does this look nothing like a negotiation? The only issues are how much the taxpayers will have to pay. Do City or County intend to do their homework or just let the franchise owners' "projections" and "estimates" drive the entire process?
by mikey Jun 6, 2008 7:44 PM
we have a team that is battling for 1st place and we can't draw crowds, so we want to move to the waterfront and suddenly, people will come? That happens in movies, not in Reality! It's simple, the Rays ownership profits,not the city,it's that simple
by GH Jun 6, 2008 7:43 PM
If the majority of resident tax payers reject the stadium, why are the city leaders still voting on this. Evidently, they have their own agenda and self interest, and need to be voted out for not respresenting the paeople who elected them.
by GIlbert Jun 6, 2008 7:39 PM
Now, we have an idea why property taxes are going higher! The fiscal irresponsibility of our City Council. They are NOT listening to will of the people I don't think. This is an absolute mess.
by Mike Jun 6, 2008 7:25 PM
Wake up St Pete. This opportunity to become a vibrant downtown with increasing property values, stronger demographics and "a future" will not come again. The financial payback will be substantial and impact the area for generations to come. Act young
by JK Jun 6, 2008 7:17 PM
This is so stupid, we can't afford this.
by Murf Jun 6, 2008 7:13 PM
I remember going to many evening games for the St Pete Cards in Al Lang. After dark, when most games would be played, the temperature was tolerable. I would rather see Al Lang replaced with a new MLB stadium than have it turned in to a condo complex.
by Gary Jun 6, 2008 4:47 PM
I don't know...world-class stadium on the waterfront that already has a stadium (no net loss) and keeping the team; but sacrificing the Trop, Al Lang, more waterfront, lots of money; and with poor parking, heat, humidity, rain...referendum is right.
by David Jun 6, 2008 4:46 PM
The Rays donations? The Rays contribute to their own business write-offs. The recipiants are only by-products of business deals. The POWW contribution will be the millions saved by not extending the existing tax referendum
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