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Clearwater leans toward higher property tax rate

By Mike Donila, Times Staff Writer
In print: Saturday, July 19, 2008


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CLEARWATER — The City Council unanimously signed off on a proposed property tax rate increase, but some members said they expect to lower the bump during the next few months.

Council members acknowledged they would have to cut another $2.7-million from the proposed fiscal year 2008-09 general fund if they don't approve City Manager Bill Horne's proposed increase. But, they said, it's a possibility they're going to look into. The proposed fund stands at $123-million, the same as this year.

"I know it's going to be difficult," Mayor Frank Hibbard said during Thursday night's meeting. "And if we don't make the changes now that we have to make, then next year it will be more difficult."

Hibbard said residents can expect more services to get cut, although he wasn't specific, other than to say they would be spread throughout the city.

The main reason the council approved bumping the rate from its current 4.6777 mills to Horne's suggested 4.955 mills is that it can always lower the number later.

A mill equals $1 in taxes for every $1,000 of assessed, nonexempt property value.

Still, city leaders pointed out that most homesteaded properties would end up paying lower city taxes than they did this year.

That's because assessed values are down, thanks to the slumping real estate market and bigger homestead exemptions created by Amendment 1.

For example, in 2007 the owner of a home with a taxable value of $150,000 — the city's average — paid $701 in city taxes.

In November, even with the higher tax rate, that homeowner would pay an estimated $683 in city taxes.

City officials say a home with a taxable value of $300,000 would probably have the same city taxes this year, and that homes worth more would probably pay higher city taxes.

The higher rate would bring in less money than this year.

The current rate brings in $50.1-million. Horne's proposed rate would bring in $48.5-million for the upcoming year. To offset some of the loss, the Parks and Recreation Department would increase fees for sports tournaments and camps. It also would cost more to get a play pass, which provides discounts on camps and access to city pools.

The general fund relies heavily on tax money to pay for things like public safety and parks, and so far the city manager has cut at least $3.2-million from his proposed budget, including the equivalent of more than 11 full-time positions, police and fire department overtime and hours at aquatic centers.

"I'll support (the proposed increase) as a cap, but that's not where I'll be later on," said council member Paul Gibson, suggesting more cuts were imminent.

Vice Mayor George Cretekos, however, said that at this point the city needs the flexibility to deal with increases in oil and energy prices.

Council members John Doran and Carlen Petersen also were a little wary of further cuts, saying the increase would soften the blow to city services.

Four residents spoke about the increase during the meeting, with three supporting it.

"I love the library and I use it tremendously," said Liz Drayer, a member of the library advisory board. She said she was fearful that library hours would be the first thing to go if further cuts were made.

Another resident suggested that because of the poor economy, people are flocking to the libraries to use computers to look for jobs, participate in enrichment programs and have something to do, since they're skipping vacations.

But Joe Paige, 51, said the "government has been playing a shell game" with tax money and said the city should "spend down the reserves."

"If I was your boss and you came to me with a millage increase I'd probably fire you," he told council members.


>>Fast facts

About the budget

The City Council will have a special meeting at 8 a.m. Aug. 21 to talk about the budget. Public hearings are at 6 p.m. Sept. 4 and Sept. 18.


[Last modified: Jul 22, 2008 03:07 PM]



Comments on this article
by tim Jul 22, 2008 3:07 PM
Just make sure those fire-fighters get that two-hour lunch their union is demanding. You know, public safety.
by jed Jul 21, 2008 5:48 PM
...Downtown redevelopment(ghost town?) New Marina? Constructed new MSB, over budget & too small upon opening.Trips to Philly on taxpayer's dime. Monthly vehicle allowance for Horne's personal vehicle.Lawsuits, and unlawful work practices,etc,etc,etc!
by jed Jul 21, 2008 5:48 PM
Brian is right!The true issue is the waste by Horne & company.Build a fountain,remove a fountain.Buy the Harborview(white elephant).Build a bridge,blow up part of it,rebuild,wave contractor's "late fees".Buy Blue Chip for more than appraised value...
by jed Jul 21, 2008 1:43 PM
Unfortunately, $ waste continues today!!!When will it stop??? I, as a concerned citizen of Clearwater,deserve to know the reason(s) for the waste. How about you???
by Brian Jul 20, 2008 9:28 PM
How did this article turn into a firefighter's bashing?The firefighters's protect us & save lives 24/7.Thanks to each and every one of you.The true issues are the waste by Horne & the city.It seems to be never ending.Suit after suit with settlements.
by hank Jul 20, 2008 8:57 PM
the last time the city cut fire dept. overtime dolphin cove was the result.rather than call in a qualified person they used someone who had tested for the position and been told he was never goining to be promotted.penny wise and $ foolish.2dead 4inj
by Joe Jul 20, 2008 8:21 AM
Most of the comments here-below are from people who speak only because they have a mouth. Now, they should develop a brain. Any dummy cn be a critic.
by steve Jul 20, 2008 8:19 AM
You know the City Council, isn't the greatest. But all you Fire fighter that keep posting really need to get a life. Just remember Dolphin's Cove. How trained were you then, and how trained are you now. And as far as EMT's go, try answerin some calls
by CC Jul 20, 2008 8:19 AM
Trim the city manager and fire chief. 26 outstanding grievances. 4 more discrimination charges in the FD. Continued waste and overtime by the the chiefs. These in themselves would reduce the mill rate. Lower the bump later? Who's kidding who!?
by izzy Jul 20, 2008 8:18 AM
But we still have 15 chiefs in the fire department?
by charles Jul 20, 2008 8:13 AM
we must manage as inflation chips away at our fixed income it is high time the city does the same
by Truthhurts Jul 20, 2008 8:04 AM
Where were all of you big mouths at the last City Council meeting? The only person who spoke in opposition was some bozo who had the education and speaking skills of a first grader.
by RL Jul 20, 2008 8:00 AM
OK Times, where is your story now on CLW FF union. Caught fabricating news stories to the IAFF! Busted by the city council and Rep Ed Hooper! What else have they been distorting? Just check their other stories, pathetic.
by RL Jul 20, 2008 7:59 AM
Did you see Thursday night's Council meeting? Representative Hooper had to personally apologize to the City Council for the false press story revealing Council had threatened to arrest him. FF Union responsible for the story stiil up at www.iaff.org local scene section. Union had always said it was the city who was dishonest, guess now we know who the liars have been all along.
by duane Jul 20, 2008 7:51 AM
I will do my best to remove ALL of the elected officials supporting a tax increase in any form. I also want to see Bill Horne out looking for employment. My patience has now expired. LESS government is BETTER government.
by Gilbert Jul 19, 2008 12:47 PM
Joe Paige,if you pay taxes in this city,you are their boss!As a matter of fact,we all are.Mayor/council,stop the waste and get rid of Bill Horne.He has never had a project come in on time or under budget that I can remember.
by Ashton Jul 19, 2008 12:47 PM
More $$$ from the tax payers is not the answer. Smaller government is!
by JR Jul 19, 2008 12:47 PM
Incomprehensible. City Hall is completely disconnected from reality. Projects bungled, lawsuits lost, plans fumbled, bids missed, budgets busted, priorities skewed, concepts misunderstood, tourism ruined, redevelopment killed. And now this insult.
by Zoe Jul 19, 2008 10:13 AM
My parents taught me at a young age save in prosperous times as the pendulum swings you'll need it. Did any of you hear that before? Clearly not while you were spending so freely the city monies. Poor planning and listening skills are all I see.
by Ann Jul 19, 2008 10:13 AM
Bill with all the letters following your signature you proudly display, do any of them have anything to do with listening skill? We spoke with amendment 1 could you not hear us? A city manager tenure averages 5 to 7 years, your time has come.
by Cheryl Jul 19, 2008 10:01 AM
I know where the money is at, I have read saveclearwaterfire.org your losses and attorney fees there alone make the short fall. Consider this, being responsible with the monies you've been entrusted with and the people who used to believe in you.
by Carol Jul 19, 2008 10:00 AM
Council, I am so, so tired of your mistakes. Is fiscal responsibility a thing of the past? When times are good, save for the lean times. When times are bad spend down some of the savings and interest, a concept you lost. We spoke, you ignored.
by MIchael Jul 19, 2008 10:00 AM
We voted and you ignored. I know where can make up it's shortfall, by cutting your Dictator, the OCD city manager who is costing the city millions in lost lawsuits, continuance of legacy projects. It is a shell game but we see through it now!
by Lisa Jul 19, 2008 10:00 AM
Translation; "We're incompetent bozos. We're too wimpy to confront the fraud, waste and redundancies in our budget, we'd rather let our deranged City Manager bully us into RAISING YOUR TAXES, CUTTING YOUR SERVICES, & PROTECTING CITY PAY RAISES.
by John Jul 19, 2008 10:00 AM
The city of Clearwater has refused to consolidate services with the county for years. They could cut taxes by half if they consolidate. They would rather protect their turf no matter the cost.
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