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ST. PETERSBURG —It had all the trappings of an ugly political spat: a broken environmental promise, an unorthodox purchase arrangement, quarreling city officials.
In the end, city leaders worked out a compromise on the purchase of nine gas-guzzling police cars. The cars will likely be purchased, but police Chief Chuck Harmon pledged to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles in the future.
The saga began in May, when Mayor Rick Baker announced his latest green policy with much fanfare: The city would buy the most energy-efficient cars available, effective immediately.
City Council member Karl Nurse, an ardent environmentalist, became upset last week when he discovered that the Police Department wanted to spend $200,000 on nine Ford Crown Victorias, a standard police vehicle but not the greenest car around. "It was a total 180 (degrees) from the mayor's executive order," he said.
The staff suggested the council approve the purchase as part of the consent agenda, a list of routine items voted on collectively without public discussion. Nurse balked and asked that the council debate the issue. He also asked the city to delay the purchase so it could shop for energy-efficient vehicles.
But the city already had told Duval Motor Co. in Jacksonville that it intended to buy the cars, even though the council isn't set to vote on the purchase until today. The manufacturer had begun building the vehicles, which are adapted for law enforcement use.
"This is not our normal process," acknowledged Louis Moore, the city's purchasing director.
City officials said the mayor's green plan didn't exist when Harmon requested the cars several months ago, and added that they needed to purchase the vehicles quickly so they can get 2009 models at 2008 prices.
The city contracts with the Florida Sheriff's Association to handle its police vehicle purchases and has the option of several vehicles and vendors. None of the options has fuel efficiency above 17 mpg. The deadline to purchase vehicles at 2008 prices is in September.
Harmon said the department will study purchasing more fuel-efficient vehicles in the future. He said he has been considering switching to green cars for weeks.
"It's something we ought to do if it makes sense for us to do it," he said.
Of 1,486 city vehicles, 519 belong to the Police Department. The city has 19 hybrid vehicles, including one driven by the mayor, and uses only ethanol-enhanced fuel.
Harmon drives a 2008 Chevrolet Impala, which gets about 16 mpg.
Baker is on vacation and could not be reached for comment.
Other council members seem less concerned than Nurse about the vehicle debate.
"We are all about fuel efficiency," said council Chairman Jamie Bennett. "But if (Harmon) has to purchase cars because the old ones are falling apart … we have to go with the chief and keep pushing for the alternatives as they come along."
Nurse said other city departments should consider themselves warned.
"This is the line in the sand," he said. "These will be the last Crown Victorias anyone will be buying."
Cristina Silva can be reached at(727) 893-8846 or csilva@sptimes.com.
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Comments on this article
by Jim
Aug 8, 2008 8:28 PM
Mr Karl Nurse has not studied his facts. The only other Police cars on the market are the Chevy Impala and the Chrysler Magnum and they get worse gas mileage than the Crown Vic. He may also want to consider the Ford is the safer vehicle.
by Rich
Aug 8, 2008 8:12 PM
Time for more police on bikes and foot patrols in certain areas. The green car is a good idea for all of us.
by 727guy
Aug 8, 2008 7:49 PM
The 2008 dodge charger police version has cylinder deactivation and 'miser-mode' for fuel savings. It also outaccelerates and outhandles the vic. Its the good-old-boy network that keeps police agencies buying the dinosaur crown vic.
by Gary
Aug 8, 2008 5:03 PM
CO2 Footprint??? That's just another agenda by the Illuminati to start the beginning of the end! I see give them Vet's and lets chase them lawbreakers!
by John
Aug 7, 2008 9:01 PM
Baker / Harmon dont care about crime so let the PD drive a civic, policy wont let them pursue anyway. To the whiners, I challenge you to sit in your car wearing plastic clothing and have no A/C for 8 hrs, do it and we'll talk. PS Impala - 16 MPH mybe
by common sense
Aug 7, 2008 8:57 PM
The crown vic is proven to hold up, they ar simple and cheap to fix. Hybrids cost more to buy, cost more to repair. Th savings will be quickly ate up in repairs and cost. Plus Cv are bought in volume by all PD through a state contract. They are cheap
by Karl
Aug 7, 2008 8:56 PM
I did not suggest using a "Green" car.
Rather if we used a Chevy Impala like the Sheriff or a Dodge Charger, they both get 70% better MPG. Of course, if you would prefer to waste the money...
by Jon Pearl
Aug 7, 2008 4:45 PM
"What the cops need to do is turn off the cars when they are sitting. This probably means they will have to sweat some."
You mean from their bullet proof vest?
Let the Generals run the war. You sunshine patriots can get back in your foxholes!
by jes
Aug 7, 2008 4:07 PM
...the "green"issue is the real side note here...the main note is that the city agreed to a purchase BEFORE the council approved it!?!
by Loretha
Aug 7, 2008 3:08 PM
You people crack me up. The police should keep the Vics and they should use GAS and not worry about expensive ethanol fuel. I do like the use of St Uhurusburg-that was sadly true and funny at the same time.
by Adam
Aug 7, 2008 2:43 PM
Impala - 16 MPG???? That sounds very wrong to me. Thats SUV like combined mileage.
by Truth
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
A lot of comments are assuming the leadership of SPPD actually allows the street officers to enforce the law. The issue of having room for prisoners is inconsequential in St. Uhurusburg. And yes, Ricky is unavailable for comment a lot. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
by Eric
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
The decision to purchase vehicles should be based on function. Police cruisers are not simple personal transportation vehicles, like most civillians use. No 'green' car suits the necessary role. Be practical.
by Ryan
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
Why is the City of Saint Petersburg buying cars from a dealership in Jacksonville? What is wrong with supporting local dealerships?
by Carol
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
Nathan.... Amen. They don't care - you're right. The PD is going to make up for ALL of the woes Crist has brought to this state. The police cruiser is their office. When the City Hall turns off their A/C's to "save" then turn to the officer's vehicle
by Carol
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
Kim.., nice. Don't take it out on the police officers and have them suffocate while they are doing their work in their police cruiser - which is their "office." Why don't YOU turn off your A/C in your office. I'm sure you'd whine if that was purposed
by John
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM
What the cops need to do is turn off the cars when they are sitting.
This probably means they will have to sweat some.
I was working St Anthony's tri, weather not too bad, and all these guys on OT most likely sitting in the cars with AC on.
by Kim
Aug 7, 2008 12:03 PM
With the cost of gas at $3 a gallon and many cars getting 25 mpg vs 16 mpg, I don't see how the 2008 prices vs the 2009 price would be a big factor on a car that might be 1/3 cheaper to run.
by BLogical
Aug 7, 2008 10:44 AM
Karl, try stuffing prisoners in a Toyota Prius. The only 'green' effect is the settlement payouts for resulting injuries, or maybe save space and ask the prisoner to hold the shotgun. Big cars for Cops, small cars for bean counters and suits.
by Kim
Aug 7, 2008 10:44 AM
Have you noticed that when anything ever comes up Baker is always out of town. Police sit in the car and run the engines 24/7. When you see them sitting doing paper work the engine is running. Yes they have the window open but the air is on.
by Nathan
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
And so it goes that this is the problem with city PD's - they're run by civilians who know/care nothing about the needs of officers. The Ford is the best vehicle for them, but this quack Nurse doesn't care. He wants to be mayor one day.
by Peter
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
Do we really want our Police driving a Yaris? Why not scooters to really save on gas. The evil-doers amongst us will love it!
by Stephen
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
Trying to buy fuel efficient vehicles is a admirable goal.
But for police cars, THEY NEED CARS THAT CAN DO THE JOB!
I doubt a Toyota Prius can go after a fleeing felon.
Let the police chief buy the cars that do the job!
by douston
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
Stop take home cars for TPD and HSCO now!
by Kris
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
As GREEN as I might dream myself to be--how about they use the cash to hire some officers that will actually DO something about violent crime in our city?
by Bill
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
This is the same city who could careless about their CO2 foot print. The police take their cars home and we all pay for their gas. Waste and greed. I see more and more city workers at Home Depot during their work day instead of working
by Kay
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
Wait a minute. There has already been an agreement to buy cars and the preparation of them has started BEFORE the vote? What is wrong with this picture?
by Kurt
Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
Well the crown vic is the best platfor to build a police car off of. I dont think a Prius would stand up to the abuse do you? Ethanol-enhanced fuel HA that is all we can get now.
by Matt
Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM
Yeah let's put our officer's in Smart cars!!! The Ford CVPI is the best police car ever. They get run hard. They need the V-8 Does the water department need to run 100 mph to an armed robbery or a murder. we could get detectives ford foucs.
by Dan
Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM
Chief and his staff do not need Impalas, Hybrids would work fine for staffers.
by ms
Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM
Another screw job by our city, if we have a no chase policy, then why do we need such big engine cars, I don't think the 2008 vs 2009 price deal is the truth, it's just one ego pushing another, who can come out on top, I guess Harmon won this round.
by JDM
Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM
The Crown Vic is a dinasaur. It is time for council and SPPD to first decide what kinds of vehicle needs there are. E.g., Hybred Ford Explorers for K-9 units? Vics are not going to catch up to a Cobra, but a Pius isn't going to catch up with a Civic.
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