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Kenneth City delays decision on neatness ordinance

By Anne Lindberg, Times Staff Writer
In print: Sunday, November 30, 2008


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KENNETH CITY — Council members caved in to demands from an angry crowd and delayed approving a neatness ordinance until officials explain every word of the 26-page document to Kenneth City residents.

In what was estimated to be the largest crowd to ever attend a Kenneth City Council meeting, an outraged group of residents railed at the proposal that would regulate the upkeep of both the exterior and interior of all property in the town.

The proposal basically sets standards for upkeep and appearance and gives town officials the right to enter homes. If the owner refuses to allow the official to enter, the town can go to a judge for an "administrative search warrant" to allow access to the interior of buildings. Violations would cost up to $250 a day.

Angry residents likened the proposal to rules created by Communist or Nazi dictatorships. One person said the result would be to create a network of spies to snitch on neighbors to council members and other town officials. Someone suggested the town should change its name from Kenneth City to "Petty City."

Still others said town attorney Paul Marino was overstepping his bounds. Marino, who drafted the ordinance at the urging of the mayor and council, defended himself, saying he felt the audience was trying to shoot the scribe and that he was only doing his job. One person in the audience claimed that council member Al Carrier had driven by his house as a way of threatening him to drop his opposition to the ordinance. Carrier did not respond to the charge that he was abusing his office.

Others said the council needs to explain every part of the ordinance to residents and that after that, the residents should be consulted about redrafting the new rule, if necessary, to tailor it to Kenneth City's needs. As it is, the ordinance is a virtual copy of others in places like Fort Walton Beach and Belleair Beach.

Residents will get their chance to hear the ins and outs of the proposal at 7 p.m. Wednesday in the Community Hall, 4600 58th St. N. The meeting is not only open to the public, but Kenneth City officials seemed to challenge residents to attend.

"Let's see if you all show up for a workshop," Marino commented, adding he would go through the document paragraph by paragraph if that's what the council wished.

And Carrier said, "If you are not here, you have nothing else to say."

Council members will not be able to make a final decision at Wednesday's workshop. But they can decide whether the proposal needs to be sent back to the drawing board, totally dismissed, or scheduled for a vote.

Election is coming

Until the November meeting, passage seemed to be a slam dunk. But with an election in the offing, it is unclear how officials who may want to be re-elected will react to a large crowd of dissatisfied residents. Up for possible re-election are Mayor Muriel Whitman and council member Phil Redisch, neither of whom has indicated future plans. Council member Harold Jividin's seat will also come open, but Jividin cannot run for re-election because of term limits.

Qualifying opens Dec. 12 and closes at noon Dec. 19. Candidates for the council must have been registered voters and residents of Kenneth City for at least two years before qualifying to run. Candidates for mayor must have been registered voters and residents of Kenneth City for at least three years before qualifying to run.

Council members earn $300 a month. The mayor is paid $500 a month. Council members serve a term of two years and the mayor serves for three years. The election is at-large and nonpartisan. For information or to pick up a packet, call Town Clerk Nancy Beelman at 544-6655 or go to Town Hall, 6000 54th Ave. N.

The election is March 10.



[Last modified: Dec 05, 2008 05:31 PM]



Comments on this article
by Dan Dec 5, 2008 5:31 PM
Sounds like something worthless and stupid Kenneth City would do. Why not lower the speed limit some more, to keep the cops busy. I always avoid that back-water town.
by Tom Dec 4, 2008 5:22 PM
These city officials need to go back where they came from. This is Florida, don't mess with it. Stay out of our homes and mind your own business.
by Lori Dec 4, 2008 5:20 PM
Kenneth City Citizens,stand up and fight.We are Americans who live here because of freedom & you do not loose such a powerful right!Power is in the people so stand together,stand strong & show the rest of this country what is to b AN AMERICAN!God bls
by Tim Dec 4, 2008 3:55 PM
More nanny state intrusiveness. Exactly what people voted for. Yes, the ordinance sucks, just as a health care plan which makes it illegal to NOT have health insurance would be. You voted for it, you have the power to vote against it now. Good luck!
by Paula Dec 4, 2008 1:42 PM
Wow. This is unreal. I am a single mother working 40 hours a week and they are going to tell me when I have to vacuum, do the dishes and put away the laundry? That is outrageous! And if they are talking structural, well give me the $ to fix it!
by Karl Dec 4, 2008 1:41 PM
Unless a crime is being committed, you cannot 'lawfully' enter a U.S. house without a search warrant. Just say 'No',then,'Stuff It'. Mickey Mouse stick to running Disneyland. You people have now made news overseas. Aren't you proud?
by Voter in PA Dec 4, 2008 1:37 PM
The rest of the country sees you people in Florida as nuts -- and you are if allow your officials to get away with something as un-American as this. Please -- will you FINALLY clean up your elections statewide and get rid of some of these people?
by Tom Dec 4, 2008 1:20 PM
If I were a resident of Kenneth City, any attempt to enter my house without my permission would be met with a 12 gauge.
by SUSAN Dec 4, 2008 1:13 PM
PERHAPS THE PERSON WHOSE YARD NEEDS TENDING HAS HAD A RECENT ILLNESS, SURGERY, OR INJURY. WOULDN'T IT BE NEIGHBORLY TO JUST GO TO THE DOOR AND ASK IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AND OFFER ASSISTANCE?
by Joe Dec 4, 2008 1:10 PM
Don't look now Joel, but the "fake war on terror" you reference just reared it's ugly head in India! Bush is a great president. God Bless him.
by Michael Dec 4, 2008 1:08 PM
Just one more bizarre story to put St. Pete on the map. Terry Schiavo, Hulk Hogan's son, the Scientologists, the list just gets longer. Sometimes fame is not a good thing. Peeping Tom has a Big Brother.....Peeping Kenneth.
by Michael Dec 4, 2008 1:03 PM
Just one more bizarre story to put St. Pete on the map. Terry Schiavo, Hulk Hogan's son, the Scientologists, the list just gets longer. Sometimes fame is not a good thing. Peeping Tom has a Big Brother.....Peeping Kenneth.
by Pat Dec 4, 2008 1:02 PM
Please get the facts correct. Although this ordinance could have been worded and introduced better. It is a good thing for property owners in Kenneth City. Psrticipate in your local government and you will get the real facts and a voice for change.
by Bob Dec 4, 2008 12:53 PM
Is Richard some sort of nut? Dictator Bush? He must be.
by Johnny Dec 4, 2008 12:22 PM
I'd like to see one of these goose stepping cowards attempt to enter my home. A fraudulently obtained warrant is a legitimate reason to resist entry with up to and including deadly force.
by voxy Dec 4, 2008 11:49 AM
herr kommandant carrier and ilk MAY NOT require or even suggest the rabble show up to discuss an issue that they flat OUT OPPOSE. RECALL HIM. Spend your time recalling them instead. It's NOT that hard. A tiny percentage of the electorate. DO IT.
by MeMyselfand I Dec 4, 2008 11:48 AM
This is crazy!!! It seems that the old fogies (Council members and Mayor) are just a bunch of snoops that have nothing better to do. Fire them all!
by Charlotte Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM
This ordinance doesn't give them any more power than they already have under previously adopted Florida statues. Police can already ask for entrance to your home, and if you say no they can get a court order. This just makes it specific to our area
by Joel Dec 3, 2008 6:09 PM
Tyler may be right but it is the BS excuse for the gov to enter your house. Just like the fake war on terror, which is to control and know every bit of you and your assets and all of your dealings.There are many remedies, just read and research.
by Mike 2 Dec 3, 2008 6:05 PM
This IS happening to day with 100's of envro regulations that are used to get on your property to "enforce" rules you did't even get a chance to hear about before they are put into effect.
by Bryan Dec 3, 2008 4:56 PM
Don, I can gurantee you, that the day that some government "official" attempts to demand entrance into my private home - against my constituionally guranteed right to privacy, I fully intend to make use of my 2A rights to prevent it.
by Patriot Dec 3, 2008 4:55 PM
This is the worse case of Communist take over yet. Kick those idiots out of office and try them for treason. This is unConstitutional. You folks need to call in the ACLU. YOu may not like them but this is what they are there for. Sue those jokers.
by Dan Dec 3, 2008 4:05 PM
The popular outcry against the ordinance is wonderful! But -- do you feel the same way about other laws which restrict property rights, such as zoning restrictions? Or hyper-technical building code regulations?
by Henry Dec 3, 2008 3:56 PM
Looks like you may have enough interested people to recall these jerks.
by CitizenZ Dec 3, 2008 3:55 PM
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects...shall not be vio- lated." This council & mayor HAVE MADE an impeachable Fascist proposal. JUST SAY NO TO FASCISM! They're the servants...not us!
by charlie Dec 3, 2008 3:55 PM
To the people of Kenneth City what monetry interest does the city have in your private property? I would say only what you consent to.
by Tyler Dec 3, 2008 3:18 PM
This ordinance is already in St. Pete and Tampa, and two dozen other cities in Pinellas.
by Fritz Dec 3, 2008 3:16 PM
This is Big Brother getting scarier. What compelling public interest gives the town police-powers to regulate neatness of an interior? None.
by Dee Dec 3, 2008 2:43 PM
Enter my home for a neatness inspection and you will be leaving in a government issued body bag. How would anyone have reasonable cause to even think the INSIDE of a home needs cometic work? Is it worth dying over to insure my home's neat. Communist!
by art Dec 2, 2008 7:56 PM
Since when does any town really need a statute like this????Tar and feathers are in order!!
by mike Dec 2, 2008 6:06 PM
In the area I live, in Alaska, no one would even think of proposing something like this, because if an "official" busted into someone's house for a home inspection (warrant or not) there's a good chance the "official" would get his head blown off.
by Vinny Dec 2, 2008 5:59 PM
There's nothing to read, anything that even sounds like this should be ripped to shreds and the creators of it dragged into the streets.
by Michelle Dec 1, 2008 1:14 PM
I seriously believe Mayor Whitman may be suffering from some sort of Dementia. Can we challenge her competency? She clearly has no idea how to run a meeting and does whatever Paul Marino tells her to do.
by Lucy Dec 1, 2008 1:13 PM
Marino is overstepping here and giving opinions, not legal advice. Let's get rid of him and elect a new mayor and 2 new council members!
by Patrick Dec 1, 2008 1:13 PM
This is police state legislation. The mayor, and council should immediately removed from office. They may have broken laws by attempting to do this. They are at least guilty of violating an oath of public service that is usually to uphold US constitu
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