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Subpar conditions force Florida Guard troops into a hotel

By William R. Levesque, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, August 14, 2008


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The commander of the Florida National Guard put one of his cargo planes on alert last week, ready to fly off and rescue 35 of his combat medics.

He wasn't saving them from Iraqi insurgents. It was the U.S. Army.

The Army was housing the Florida troops on a Texas base in sweltering metal huts, conditions the Guard called horrible.

Temperatures climbed close to 110 degrees, without adequate bathroom facilities, reported the troops, who were training before deployment to Iraq on Sept. 1.

The medics said the Army told them that they were being prepared for the desert heat and suggested they use wet towels to help them sleep.

"They need to stop saying troops need to be able to endure," the Florida Guard's commanding general, Doug Burnett, said on Wednesday. "That's complete crap. I know they're going to Iraq, and I know it sucks over there. But the soldiers don't need to suffer unnecessarily."

With crucial help from Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, Burnett was able to get the medics into a nearby hotel late last week after they spent a week in the huts.

But Burnett raided his own budget for $250,000 to pay the extra cost. Burnett covered accommodations for his troops and a group of others from five states.

"I took care of all of them," Burnett said. "When you're taking care of soldiers, you don't make a distinction about where they're from."

He said the National Guard Bureau in Washington will reimburse him.

Army officials both in Washington and at Camp Bullis, located near San Antonio, did not return calls for comment. Members of the Florida unit, the 256th Medical Company, also could not be reached.

It all started on Aug. 6, when a medic's relative sent a letter to the Guard and several members of Congress to complain.

"Shame on the state of Texas and Washington, D.C., for treating our military people so badly!" wrote Patricia McMahon, a principal in St. John's County. "I am appalled. … No wonder so many of these young people don't want to make the military a career!"

Burnett said his office was working to correct the problem at the time of this complaint.

At some point, a Guard leader visited Texas to inspect living conditions. This official, Gen. Mike Fleming, said conditions were substandard. (Records do not make clear the date of his visit.)

Fleming's report said:

The huts had no running water or privacy. The Florida troops and 150 soldiers total — a mix of men and women — were forced to use one distant bathroom, sharing eight stalls and eight shower heads.

"These conditions create a safety concern and obviously do not enhance the learning capability of our soldiers," Fleming said.

Young said he learned about these complaints at about 11 p.m. on Aug. 6. He immediately called Burnett at home.

"This was just not right," Young said. Burnett, Young said, told him he was in bed staring at the ceiling trying to figure out a solution.

After an e-mail to Army Chief of Staff George Casey at midnight, Young heard back from a top Army official the next morning at 7 promising a quick solution. In a day, troops were in the hotel.

Burnett said he was serious about sending a Guard plane to bring the troops back to Florida absent a fix. Until they deploy, he said, the troops are under his command.

The general said it isn't the first time the Army provided subpar housing.

Three years ago several hundred Florida troops were kept in 28-degree tents during a New Jersey winter at Fort Dix. In that instance Burnett sent heating equipment.

Burnett said Army leadership isn't the problem. Instead, he said, it's ingrained in Army culture at lower ranks to just force troops to suck it up.

"That's stupid," Burnett said. "I owe the moms and dads of these troops the responsibility to look after their sons and daughters that they've trusted us with."



[Last modified: Aug 20, 2008 04:05 PM]



Comments on this article
by Medic Aug 20, 2008 4:05 PM
first of all when we leave here were going to ft.lewis washington ANY acclimation we get will be lost there! im a memeber of the 256th and we arent here for field training were here for medical refreshers.no sleep= no learning no learning=bad medic
by Diana Aug 19, 2008 4:54 PM
WOW! I am shocked at the tone in this conversation. These soldiers are in MEDICAL TRAINING, not Combat or acclimation training. Depending on what the "training" is about should determine the conditions they need to deal with. Good for Young & Fleming
by mpp Aug 19, 2008 7:20 AM
For all of you people who think these men are weak, you should be further advised that while active duty soldiers do not deploy for over 12 months, these soldiers have been removed, COMPLETELY, from their families for the entire month of May and June and then WERE NOT PAID FOR JULY. Did I mention their orders did not accrue paid leave? Did I mention they were not getting full military pay because their orders were chopped to pieces? Did I mention they do not get full Servicemember Protection, even though they can't earn a regular income, because the orders are again CHOPPED to pieces? Did I further mention that these soldiers have to immediately report to training for another three days after arriving back to their homes?
by mpp Aug 19, 2008 7:20 AM
Do not ASSume to know what these soldiers are going thru. Active duty members have substantial benefits over and above the Guard, they get paid when they have down time, and they have a network of support for their families on military bases. These men and women have sacrificed more than their fair share at this point in the game and they have not even gone to Iraq yet. Many of these soldiers are facing financial woes the likes of which Active Duty members do not experience because of the way the orders are structured.
by soldier Aug 18, 2008 5:28 PM
I am one of those soldiers. Many of us are all current on our certifications, instead of staying in 110 degree sheds we could be at home with our families spending our last few weeks with them.
by soldier Aug 18, 2008 4:37 PM
I am one of "those" medics. I am currently certified and do this training daily. I am away from my family before my deployment for this. Nobody needs to acclimate. That is what Kuwait is for. At least teach us something battlefield related. Not EMT.
by Joe Aug 17, 2008 8:23 PM
Why are Nat'l Guard troops preparing for overseas combat anyway? I thought the Guard was for helping out after natural disasters here. And I don't mean to start an argument, but I thought Texans were supposed to be for "States' Rights."
by Sandy Aug 15, 2008 1:05 PM
Lisa, I spent 26 yrs in the Army Active & Reserve 18+ in TX I spent Many weeks @ the TMC treating Heat injuries, & seeing that Commanders, who allowed their troops 2 become casualties, were reprimanded or relieved 4 negligence. SGM Ret. & Proud of it
by NONCOM Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM
Responsibility to our moms? What about the responsibility to our soliders injured on the battlefield? R we to do it with medics who aclimate to the heat for the first time in full battle rattle in Iraq? I hope I don't have these medics in my unit!
by NONCOM Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM
Politics at its best! I truly hope there were no NCOs above the grade of E5 in this unit who whinned back to home. If there were, we have let our soldiers down and I am ashamed! Train as you fight - in a/c? oh my! Just wait to you get to a small FOB!
by NONCOM Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM
Bullis prepared our soldiers for our deployment. We had 142 people and asked for additional bathrooms and got them! Aug was warm at night but still needed a blanket...BG, if you thought the conditions were so bad WHY did you leave??? Lv tng to NCOs!
by NONCOM Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM
Hotels - beginning of the end! MG - you say it sucks in Iraq - you were there when? 3 times for me and if I go again, I want Bullis to train my guys. 110 - relieve your officer and NCO in charge. No one allowed in huts during the day - it is Texas!
by Lisa Aug 15, 2008 9:03 AM
Sandy: It isn't survival training, and don't pretend that you know it is. And don't use the soldiers to throw a cheap shot at Young. None of us appreciate your stupidity. I AM a soldier, a female soldier at Camp Bullis and we all appreciate Young.
by Suck'n It Up Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM
Did you guys ever notice, that the active duty personnel (the real troops) and the war veterans never whine?
by John Aug 14, 2008 3:10 PM
My son's an officer in Iraq. Not a "combat" troop but in an outpost with worse living conditions than those described at Camp Bullis. He feels the guard was wrong to move these troops. They need to know what to expect in Iraq not what we have here.
by Ken Aug 14, 2008 1:56 PM
You got to be kidding, I'm a Master Sergeant in Texas and the Army from Fort Sam Houston, the Air Force, Texas National Guard and Army Reserve all billet in those same huts in the same heat.I guess Florida troops are "special" or someone needs votes.
by Kenneth Aug 14, 2008 1:54 PM
SAD! These people are soldiers like me. There is nothing wrong with Camp Bullis. Privacy! In the Army? Have to share latrines. Oh My, They are all soldiers, medics, infantry, truck drivers. We all live in the same conditions when deployed
by deb Aug 14, 2008 12:19 PM
Paul: Who do you think saves the lives, in the field, of the combat troops? The combat medics. They die too.
by lee Aug 14, 2008 12:19 PM
Thank you Congressman Young for waking EVERYBODY up in the middle of the night to do the right thing for our troops. Thank God someone in Congress is watching out for them.
by Bev Aug 14, 2008 12:19 PM
Tim: That was so out of line. They volunteered to serve, they don't deserve to suffer on their own soil and they sure don't need demeaning remarks from people who don't appreciate their service. Not very nice.
by Al Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM
The general is correct. A soldier can get used to a helluva of a lot in a quick hurry. 100-plus degrees doesn't make you "tougher."
by Patrick Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM
Paul, correct me if I'm wrong but a medic will be living and working in a combat environment. Worse still, they're going to have to learn to adapt their skill in such a place.
by Chris Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM
Folks, realistic training is one thing. Potentially life-threatening conditions is a different story. Not saying that they need to be coddled with A/C, saunas etc. But "tough it out" isn't the right response if someone dies...
by Prissy Aug 14, 2008 10:01 AM
Stop the war! ...By Goerge, wer'e out of Grey Poupon...
by Paul Aug 14, 2008 10:01 AM
These are medics not combat troops.
by Corey Aug 14, 2008 8:55 AM
Are you kidding me? Sir, those troops need to have no illusions as to how bad it's going to get.
by HCB Aug 14, 2008 8:55 AM
These are our "warfighters." Without air conditioning, cold beer and a soft bed - well, how in the world do you expect them to take on a modern Taliban or Al Queda army?
by Steve Aug 14, 2008 8:55 AM
A wise Sergeant Major I once served with, wisely said, "Sir, you ain't gotta train misery!"
by Linda Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
No wonder young people don't want to join the Army. Kudos to the General - at least he understands proper treatment of these soldiers who are about do defend our country.
by Tim Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
Will mommy and daddy come and resuce them when they are in the same situations in Iraq and not prepared. We don't need soft soldiers!
by Todd Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
Wow, this is a different Army than I was in form '92 - '96! Sounds like whining to me. Try living out in the woods for 14 days with NO showers and whatever shelter you can make for yourself! Training should be realistic. Suck it up and drive on, hua!
by Mike Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
If they want a realistic training enviroment, send the soldiers to Fort Irwin (National Training Center). You don't put people in a sauna to get ready for combat. Will someone use some fricking common sense!
by Eric M Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
Hurry for Gen. Burnett! He's right. These troops are still in his command until shipped to that rat hole-Iraq's civil war. There is no reason to make troops live in defunct quarters at all before it's time-if at all. Serving in the US Army is nada.
by Mike Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
And people wonder why there is less young people willing to sign up to serve. its time the government learned to respect the people who protect there priviledge of holding a government office.
by Softies Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM
Isn't the whole idea, to toughen em' up for the front lines? Geez, we had it tougher in the Boy Scouts. How about many veterans that don't even have a hut, a distant bathroom and rely on the cover of a dumpster for privacy?
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