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Dying veteran says busy VA hospital refused to admit him

By William R. Levesque, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, October 16, 2008


James Carroll was visited by sister Nancy McEndree while at Zephyr Haven Health & Rehab Center in Zephyrhills in August.
James Carroll was visited by sister Nancy McEndree while at Zephyr Haven Health & Rehab Center in Zephyrhills in August.
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ZEPHYRHILLS — Veteran James Carroll is supposed to get free and complete medical care from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The trick is getting in the door.

Carroll, 64 and dying of chronic lymphocytic leukemia, said the James A. Haley VA Medical Center in Tampa has repeatedly refused to admit him for a reason that is no fault of his own:

Haley is too crowded.

So the Zephyrhills resident said he has been forced to get care outside the VA medical system, personally accumulating thousands of dollars in medical expenses that he thinks the VA should pay.

The VA refuses.

Some veteran advocates say Carroll is one of many veterans around the nation who have been denied access to VA health care and then forced to foot their own medical bills when they seek care elsewhere.

"I was a good soldier," said Carroll, an Air Force veteran who served four years ending in 1968. "I did what I was told. I don't want to break the VA's bank. I don't want anything that should not be mine. But the government needs to keep its word to me."

Carroll has been forced out of his rental home for lack of rent money. He is living in a trailer on family property near his sister.

The VA has told Carroll that because he has insurance — Medicare — the agency is not responsible for any costs he incurs outside the VA.

Carroll said he owes thousands of dollars — he has lost track of the exact figure — in co-pays and deductibles not covered by Medicare.

The VA said in a statement that federal law ties its hands and that it is not allowed to cover medical costs for veterans in Carroll's predicament.

"It's a disgrace," said Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, an advocacy group frequently critical of the VA. "And it's difficult for veterans who are very ill to fight a big bureaucracy alone."

Haley officials say they cannot discuss Carroll's case because of privacy concerns.

But Carolyn Clark, a spokeswoman for Haley, said the hospital, one of the busiest VA facilities in the nation, has made great strides in reducing the times it turns patients away.

Such incidents are called "bypasses" and occur at all hospitals, VA or not, when their beds are full or if emergency rooms become too crowded.

"Space on the main hospital campus is a definite issue," Clark said in an e-mail. "We're working hard to free up additional bed space by expanding on-site, by reallocating space within the hospital, and by moving outpatient functions off-site."

Clark, while refusing to confirm or deny that Carroll has been turned away, said: "It's not a question that the VA is too busy to treat him. If he is an eligible veteran, we will treat him."

Carroll moved from North Carolina less than a year ago to be with his sister in Zephyrhills. A former hospital chaplain, he had been ill with leukemia for almost a decade. Doctors are unsure how long he will live.

Carroll hadn't realized he was eligible for VA care until his sister, Nancy McEndree, began investigating after he arrived in Florida. Soon, the VA decided he was eligible for full care at Haley.

Carroll believes his leukemia was caused by exposure to Agent Orange, widely used in Korea, where Carroll served in 1968.

But the VA, though agreeing to provide Carroll with medical care, refused to give him a higher disability pension that he would be eligible to get if he could prove Agent Orange caused his cancer.

The VA has said it will pay him a $1,500-per-month pension, though Carroll has yet to see a dime. The amount might be nearly doubled if Agent Orange is ever found to be the cause of his illness.

Carroll has been able to get his drugs from Haley without cost. And he has visited doctors there. The problem comes when he is so sick that he needs to be admitted.

In May, McEndree first called paramedics when her brother was having difficulty breathing. Paramedics told her, she said, that they couldn't take Carroll to Haley because it was too packed.

Why wouldn't the VA send Carroll to the VA's Bay Pines hospital in St. Petersburg or some other VA facility?

Carroll, relatively new to the area, and his sister didn't realize the VA had a second hospital in Pinellas. So they said they never thought to ask about going there.

And in any case, a Haley spokeswoman said, the VA prefers that in emergencies, paramedics take veterans to the closest alternative hospital.

After that first hospitalization, McEndree said, her husband called Haley the next day to ask that Carroll be transferred.

"They said they couldn't take him for at least a month," McEndree said.

McEndree said she called the VA up to 10 times in the subsequent months. Each time, she said, she was told the hospital was too full to accept Carroll. The last time she said she was told that was about three weeks ago.

Carroll's health has been up and down since he started living in Florida, and he has been admitted to a non-VA hospital up to five times for varying lengths of time.

Last week, Carroll was admitted to Florida Hospital Zephyrhills for heart problems related to his leukemia. Carroll, who has long outlived doctors' expectations, was released Wednesday after six days.

To Carroll, VA rules are a maddening injustice.

"It's blatantly unfair," he said. "There's no justification for this. Bureaucrats are making the decisions, not doctors. And they're playing God."

William R. Levesque can be reached at (813) 226-3436 or levesque@sptimes.com



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Comments on this article
by carol Oct 20, 2008 2:10 PM
WHAT A DISGRACE!!! YES, AGENT ORANGE WAS USED IN VIETNAM AND KOREA.HOPE YOU CAN GET THE CARE YOU DESERVE AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IF NOT FROM THE ARMED SEVICES. LETS TAKE CARE OF ALL AMERICANS.
by ralph Oct 20, 2008 2:10 PM
art, You obviously are not 65 yet and on Medicare. When that happens you are entitled to the free care with tri-care for life as an additional provider. The 22 years gives you retirement rights. Check out tricare for life.
by Paul Oct 17, 2008 6:14 PM
I seriously doubt someone told the Dr. they could not get him admitted for a month.The facts of this story seem fabricated.Why didn't the reporter refer the family to a medical professional within the VA, rather than sit on the story for a month.
by BN Oct 17, 2008 6:12 PM
I'm need help myself from being turned away from the VAMC in Oklahoma with acute kidney failure. I am 100% SC P&T and I haven't been treated in 6 years. My medical private costs came to over $100k all paid with loans. Female vets suffer the most!!!
by Sandie Oct 17, 2008 6:01 PM
I think that this country should do all they can for any person serving or has served in our military. If not for them, we would not be able to voice this opinion. They are the body guards of this country, TAKE CARE OF THEM!!!
by Tony Oct 17, 2008 11:49 AM
Call Bill Young's Office, Beverly Young will get you treated (727) 893-3191. I wish I could vote for Bill Young, just because of his wife. She never stops helping service men & women. Gus Bilirakis can learn alot from the Youngs.
by nam vet widow Oct 17, 2008 11:48 AM
can anyone say ADVOCATE? Go to the local VFW, or other vets org and ask for one to help untangle this...
by maria Oct 17, 2008 11:48 AM
If he has no money, he can apply for medicaid as a supplement to his Medicare and they will pay all the co-insurance and co-pays. It's worth applying for
by art Oct 17, 2008 11:48 AM
I'm a retired vet with 22 years service. If I use V A I still have to pay a co-pay beause I don't have a service connected problem. I was promised free medical care when I joined the military over 40 years ago. NO I have to pay for it.some promis.
by Ann Oct 16, 2008 10:54 PM
Just show up at Bay Pines and wait in the ER until you can be evaluated. Don't leave. If you've got paperwork approving you for medical care, then take a seat and invite a news reporter to sit with you and wait.
by john Oct 16, 2008 7:32 PM
unless your a disabled vet forget it from the service you should move on. this is taxpayers money, they already give to many freebies, school etc. move on you have medicare like the rest of us
by Rob Oct 16, 2008 7:23 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how readers just believe everything they read. I'm a 22 year veteran, no one ever promised me full medical care. Mr. Carroll's problem is with his Medicare copays...not with the VA!
by ralph Oct 16, 2008 5:10 PM
I am retired Army with 30 years service and I do not use the services of the VA. I could if I had to, but I leave it for the guys and gals that need it more than I do. There is a multitude of fellows coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan needing help.
by Dom Oct 16, 2008 4:50 PM
Is someone trying to abuse the system? Nah! His argument is dubious. Agent orange was used only along the DMZ. His last year of service was in Korea. I don't know of any Air Force bases anywhere near the DMZ. The Times didn't research this?
by Ms Martin Oct 16, 2008 4:35 PM
Don't have to serve 20 yr career to get benefits. I know several men who were enlisted at war time but never fought at all & they get full VA benefits. It should be that way. Any person willing to protect the US should be protected by them as well
by Karlie Oct 16, 2008 4:34 PM
Few people are willing to put their life on the line in service of their country. For those that do, they are the ultimate American citizen and should be treated as such. The vets need as much help as they can get; they deserve it more than anyone!
by Cathy Oct 16, 2008 4:32 PM
Has he checked into Hospice care?
by Jim Oct 16, 2008 4:32 PM
four years service in the military got us full medical ..."on a space available basics." If theres no room then theres no room, please don't die on the porch.
by Dusty Oct 16, 2008 4:28 PM
There are facts missing from story. As a Vet with cancer being treated by the VA it has holes in it. First ? does he have a medical discharge,if not he's space available just like me. My surgery was done out of system paid for by VA, as has my Rad
by Pete Oct 16, 2008 4:23 PM
This man is a combat vet can be cared for. Send him over to bay pines. The va for combat vets can help pay for his medical bills if they are too fill and need to place him at outside care. As 4 Agent orange that will wait till you die to fix mistake
by Linda Oct 16, 2008 4:22 PM
The family should contact the office of Sen. Bill Nelson. He sits on the armed forces committee. He was helpful to us when my AF son had trouble getting needed papers.
by Judy Oct 16, 2008 4:21 PM
Another classic case of Too many chiefs, not enought indians. The Govt is so corrupt, it's a wonder anything gets done. Fat cats will always remain fat cats, and we little people, will always do the suffering. It's very simple, sad, but simple!
by Anonymous Oct 16, 2008 10:11 AM
If the government can't even seem to get VA medical treatment correct, what in the world makes people think they will successfully socialize medicine for the entire country??!!! DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA! SOCIALIZED MEDICINE DOES NOT WORK!!!
by aldo Oct 16, 2008 10:02 AM
so you moved to fl. to get medical attention,,,bad move,,,what what wrong with the hosp were you lived? tenn, has a lg hospital there,,there is a reason for the v.a. not to treat ya ,,like they say they cant talk about it,, weird but they have rules
by Gosh Oct 16, 2008 10:02 AM
The b\Bush adminstrations policy for veterans is " let them die then we don't have to pay anything any more " This administration has done evreything it could to cut back on veterans benifits. I don't see how Bush can get anyone to fight his wars.
by Jamie Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
I know what this family is going through due to lack of intrest I lost my husband and have outstanding hospital bills due to the VA and trying to raise his 2 daughters without help because nobody will help us with a pension or anything. May God Bless
by Cindy Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
Evidently all veterans should stop paying into the medicare program. Because if veterans pay to medicare, their VA benefits will be limited. Stop paying into medicare and watch this silly rule change!
by terri Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
Very sad. Just keep this man's story in mind when you start to think that federally funded health care (socialized medicine) sounds like the way to go. Stories like this are inevitable when you are just a number.
by je Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
This article is badly slanted to inflame and slander VA. So Mr. Carroll doesnt know what his benefits are, much less where the local facilities are??? BS! He wants a free ride; so use Medicaid, dont pay the copays, his debts die with him.
by Jerry Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
The sad part to all of this is that there are people receiving care from VA that shouldn't and that creates a tremendous backlog for people that really deserve to be treated by VA.
by Arelene Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
This is what our soldiers get for risking their lives for their country. They get nothing. It's the same for the young men and women out there fighting an illegal war right now. The VA will wait til this man dies and then call and offer a room.
by Rick Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
As a fellow Vet, my advice is to show up at the VA ER during an emergency. You will not be turned away. They have a program called "Fee Basis." (One of 100's of programs they never tell you about) that covers outside are.
by braxton Oct 16, 2008 10:01 AM
Agent Orange was used in Vietnam, not Korea.
by angela Oct 16, 2008 10:00 AM
of course this is an OUTRAGE. Instead of raising millions of dollars to run a campaign the candidates should be asking this man where to send some money. I'm so sorry Mr. Carroll. You're not alone.
by Sawyer Oct 16, 2008 10:00 AM
I sure hope a Congressman hears about this.Does Carrol know about the VA in Gainesville? Haley might be the busiest in the nation,but it's also the worst.You do not let the VA push you around. If you make enough noise, someone (will) hear you.
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