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Florida House members help sink bailout

By Wes Allison, Times Staff Writer
In print: Tuesday, September 30, 2008


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WASHINGTON — Call it the Sunshine State revolt.

House members from across Florida rallied to help defeat the $700-billion Wall Street bailout bill on Monday, with most Republicans and one Democrat opposing the measure despite warnings of economic ruin.

Fourteen Florida members voted against the bill, which was 13 votes shy of passing, and 11 voted for it. Of the six House members from the Tampa Bay area, only Rep. Adam Putnam of Bartow, the third-ranking Republican, voted for the bill — but as a member of the GOP leadership he was obligated to support the bipartisan compromise.

Putnam compared the financial crisis to a hurricane and said the bill before the House was far better than the one the Bush administration proposed last week, with restrictions on executive pay and other protections for taxpayers.

"One bank after another failing, rolling out of New York, rolling out of Brussels, out of London, out of these places that seem so foreign," Putnam said on the House floor. "You're watching this happen, so how could you as a member of Congress in seeing that roll across the countryside not do everything in your power to prevent it?"

His colleagues, however, didn't think this was the right route. Only two other Florida Republicans — Ander Crenshaw of Jacksonville and Dave Weldon of Melbourne — voted for it. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, said he was irritated to learn that the administration and some congressional leaders knew of the prospect of trouble a year ago, yet failed to alert the rank and file.

"Now they come in at the last minute and want us to do exactly what they say," Young said in an interview. "It basically puts the same people back in charge of the new program that messed up the old program. …

"This is a Band-Aid approach so we could say we did something, and let it all hang out. But just doing something does not solve this problem."

Other Tampa Bay area members voting no were Republican Reps. Ginny Brown-Waite of Brooksville, Gus Bilirakis of Palm Harbor and Vern Buchanan of Sarasota, and Democratic Rep. Kathy Castor of Tampa, who has close ties to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The speaker had worked to pass the bill.

While Castor said she hoped the House could pass a bailout bill soon, she argued that the one before her Monday did too little to help homeowners.

"The Bush plan does not provide sufficient help to middle-class families in the housing squeeze or taxpayer protections," Castor said. "I assisted hundreds of Tampa Bay families at my foreclosure workshops this summer, and I understand the need for direct, immediate action. The Bush plan failed to provide such action."

Brown-Waite said homeowners who made good on their mortgage payments were being forced to float those who didn't, as well as bail out the banks that made bad loans in the first place.

"Make no mistake, a vote for this bailout is a vote to ratify business as usual in Washington," she said on the House floor.

Wes Allison can be reached at allison@sptimes.com or (202) 463-0577.


>>how they voted

Democrats

Yes: Alcee Hastings, Ron Klein, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Robert Wexler, Kendrick Meek, Tim Mahoney, Corrine Brown, Allen Boyd. No: Kathy Castor.

Republicans

Yes: Ander Crenshaw, Adam Putnam, Dave Weldon.
No: Jeff Miller, Ginny Brown-Waite, Cliff Stearns, John Mica, Ric Keller, Gus Bilirakis, C.W. Bill Young, Vern Buchanan, Connie Mack, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, Tom Feeney.


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Comments on this article
by DAVID Oct 1, 2008 1:39 PM
Thank you for voting "No". Millionaires don't need a bailout!!!!!
by Gene Norris Oct 1, 2008 1:39 PM
Today's revised bailout bill may or may not be an improvement on yesterdays, but I wonder how many earmarks or special-interest riders are attached to this bill? AFter all, a few million here or there is small change in comparison with $700 million.
by klpkarr Oct 1, 2008 1:38 PM
Thanks to those who voted no. I pray they stick to their guns on this one. A yes vote will not fix the problem, only the market will. A yes vote enslaves future generations of American taxpayers. God save us all.
by Jay Oct 1, 2008 1:38 PM
Stop talking about 401K's as a reason to Bail Out Wall Street. Not everyone is so fortunate to have a 401K so why should they pay for your lack of investment accumen and continued support of Fat Cat, Self Dealing Board of Directors and Managements
by Rockabilly Oct 1, 2008 1:38 PM
Phyllis Busansky -- the Norma Desmond of Hillsborough Co politics -- will run against Gus again, after losing to Buddy Johnson but before she runs against Mel Martinez for the Senate.
by Bill Sep 30, 2008 8:15 PM
Maybe Gus is for you, but not me. And that's fine if you want to re-elect a selfish scion. This republican won't vote for him again, and probably won't vote for any Republicans this year. What a McLame party!
by Leland Sep 30, 2008 6:19 PM
There is absolutely no reason to support this bailout of billionaires, crooks and liars by political crooks and liars with our tax dollars. Let's help the people who need the help, 9000 forclosures a day - that is where the money belongs.
by Yolanda Lopez Sep 30, 2008 5:43 PM
Americans understand what is at stake and that the Paulson Plan is full of holes and not the only alternative. Congress is behaving like an arogant one trick pony and its members will be held accountable.
by Dante Sep 30, 2008 5:41 PM
Why is no-one talking about what would have happened to our Social Security if Bush and McSame had their way and 'privatized' it ?
by Peg Sep 30, 2008 5:39 PM
Good for you Dave Weldon.
by Bush*t Sep 30, 2008 5:39 PM
This bailout stinks to high hell. I smell a rat. Remember the Iraqi oil was going to pay for the war? Remember the tax cuts would balance our budget and shrink government? Remember when Republican meant the government was out of the economy? LIES.
by Voter Sep 30, 2008 5:38 PM
I am so proud Cathy Castor is my Congresswoman. Standing up for what is right, even against her leader Pelosi. Very impressive. Castor is right: the bailout does NOT help the people who truly need help. Let the speculators fail, then carefully act.
by ZED Sep 30, 2008 5:38 PM
BUSH AND HIS CRONIES ARE IN THEIR LAST ACT OF THIEVERY: LOOTING OUR TREASURY. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE WAR PROFITEERS AND BIG OIL COMPANIES! WE MUST STOP THIS THIEVING CLOWN! WORST PRESIDENT EVER! AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR AMERICA--AND THE HUMAN RACE.
by Lazlar Sep 30, 2008 5:37 PM
Why should anyone believe in the gloom and doom prediction coming from any of these predators? What have they been right about in the past? Jim Jones must have been reincarnated as the Treasury Secretary.
by Joe Sep 30, 2008 4:00 PM
Instead of treating the bill as dead, the story should mention that it's a chance for a do-over. A new and hopefully improved bill will eventually be passed. The genius of democracy is that in the end, it's ultimately the voter's fault.
by PAM Sep 30, 2008 2:58 PM
I cannot believe how stupid the people on this blog are - this is not only for the"fat cats" as someone said.It affects every american. Do you own a home - have a credit card or a 401 K?Well,your credit will dry up without a bail-out(bad term)
by SickNTired Sep 30, 2008 2:35 PM
Hooray to the people and reps who listened! Stock market is legalized gambling & has the same risks! No bailout for liars, speculators and just plain ignorant bankers. This bailout would never "free up" credit for you and me.....just "them."
by BAL Sep 30, 2008 2:32 PM
Failure to suppport this measure is a shameless political move by these spineless Congressmen and women. Americans can ill afford to see their savings disappear, 401k's evaporate and credit dry up. We can cast blame later, let's solve this now.
by Schwimmer Sep 30, 2008 2:31 PM
What Mr. Putnam doesn't understand in his "hurricane" analogy, is that hurricanes are not man-made. The current situation is directly linked to the lack of regulatory oversight, of which Mr. Putnam has provided none. Vote the bums out!
by James Sep 30, 2008 2:30 PM
The real crooks are the ones who bought houses they could not afford. They are the ones you want bailed out? Are you kidding? The lack of a 700 B rescue, caused 1.5 trillion in stock loss, for fat cats but also for normal americans with investment
by Jack Sep 30, 2008 2:28 PM
To: Joe B... The only reason for this problem is greed! Bank execs and buyers alike. To: Harry... If this Bailout happens,our children and grandchildren will reimburse your losses.
by j Sep 30, 2008 2:27 PM
dear " ." the math goes both ways. even though the actual margin of votes is 23, not 13, if you take the 13 who voted no and make them vote yes, the result is 218-215 in favor.
by Sam Sep 30, 2008 2:24 PM
It is obvious, after reading these comments, that the majority of Florida does not comprehend the repurcussions of the NO vote yesterday. They will understand when they get their 401K statements! Petty politics and ignorance abound!
by Al Sep 30, 2008 2:22 PM
No bailout deal until Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Franklin Reines are investigated for the goings on at Fannie/Freddie which is the genesis of this crisis.
by chris Sep 30, 2008 2:21 PM
Is it better to be right or do right? I think we should do what is in our interest rather than what makes us feel justified. Bad job GOP.
by Kathy Sep 30, 2008 2:21 PM
We, as a nation, are miles and miles down the road from the greed of Wall Street and how we got here. We lost $1 TRILLION DOLLARS yesterday vs. a $700 BILLION rescue. I could have paid off my mortgage with the money lost in my 401K! Let's get real!
by Disgusted w Florida Sep 30, 2008 2:17 PM
By the way time, Florida officials allowed the crooks into business, not the homeowners! Why not just clean house & get rid of all the corrupt officials, that may help clean up our country, from these dirty gov officials, you people need to get real
by kathleen Sep 30, 2008 2:17 PM
NO NO NO BAILOUT! Think, folks- how will be able to afford to bail out the bailout?!!!
by Disgusted w Florida Sep 30, 2008 2:16 PM
Leave it to the morons in Fl to veto. 1# FRAUD STATE, FL STATE AGENCIES FAILED EVERY HOMEOWNER, HOW SAD! Maybe taking a huge salary cut & loss of their pensions should be the actions taken against CRIST, McCOLLUM, SINK & the REST of THEM. WORK 4 LESS
by Lisa Sep 30, 2008 2:13 PM
About two years ago,there were articles in the papers about mortgage problems; people who hadn't the income to support the payments, companies that didn't seem to exist, and deals to buy just paying the interest until selling. Today is no surprise.
by ctb Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM
Terrific how some commentors seem to assume that EVERY SINGLE PERSON facing foreclosure made bad decisions-or somehow is dishonest!So there were NO deceptive practices by mortgage lenders/appraisers?Yeah right!Gov't should assess legit vs. flippers.
by JT Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM
Good to see so many Pro-American No votes coming from Florida. The truth is now out about the Big Business Democrats in this state. They were salavating over establishing such a huge government program hoping to eventually raid it for ACORN etc.
by Chloe Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM
No, Paul is wrong. No vote and then fix. Find a sensible solution (does there have to be?) and then vote on it. Why close the door first before the house is in order?
by Sam Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM
No bailout. Just a solution. Stop the money grabbers from grabbing again. I do not want bad mortgages bought with tax dollars and then sold to another idiot who cannot afford it. No, go away.
by J Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM
I have a novel idea. How about helping the root cause. Anyone who bought a house in 06 or 07 should get a 20% reduction in the principal of their loan. 10% for people who bought in 2005. Then lock in their rates if they are in exotic loans. SOLVED!
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