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Constitutional ban on gay marriage likely to pass

By Jennifer Liberto and Alex Leary, Times staff writers
In print: Wednesday, November 5, 2008


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TALLAHASSEE — A measure to ban gay marriage and gay civil unions in Florida's state Constitution was all but assured of passage, according to election reports rolling in late Tuesday evening.

Florida voters limited marriage between a man and a woman, but they also banned legal unions and their "substantial equivalent," which could raise a question of whether public employers, like community colleges and the city of Tampa, can continue offering health care benefits to domestic partners. It would be up to courts to decide.

With most counties reporting at midnight, 62 percent of Floridians voted in favor of banning gay marriage. It takes 60 percent of voters to change Florida's Constitution. Florida was one of three states nationwide where voters considered banning gay marriage in their constitutions; Arizona and California results had yet to be reported by 10 p.m.

"It's really a remarkable victory — we're thrilled," said lawyer John Stemberger, who ran the campaign Florida4Marriage, the group that sponsored the ballot measure.

Stemberger pointed out that many Floridians voted both for the Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, and the gay marriage ban. Obama opposed the amendment. But Stemberger said he believed they won strong support from African Americans and Hispanics.

"Obviously, having a robust African-American turnout was helpful," he said.

Gov. Charlie Crist voted yes Tuesday on Amendment 2, which seeks to define marriage in the Florida's Constitution as a union between a man and a woman. "I voted for it," Crist said outside the polling place. "It's what I believe in."

Those who fought Amendment 2, including the group Florida Red and Blue, conceded the race close to midnight, although some parts of South Florida counties had yet to fully report.

"We worked hard to educate voters about what could be the dangerous fallout from Amendment 2," said Jon Kislak, the group's chairman. "But it proved to be a complex and nuanced argument."

The fight over the gay marriage ban was also one of the priciest this election season, with supporters raising nearly $2-million, including in-kind contributions, which was spent on advertising. Opponents raised $3.3-million. The fight even landed briefly in court, when opponents tried to force Florida4Marriage to disclose some of its "in-kind" donors, but the judge refused to force disclosure on an election eve.

While gay marriage dominated the attention, voters also weighed in on five other proposed amendments to the Florida Constitution. Three appeared to be passing and two were failing late Thursday night.

Most significantly, voters were set to approve Amendment 4, a proposal to eliminate or greatly reduce property taxes for landowners who set aside their land for conservation purposes.

Crist and a wide coalition of environmental groups, including the Nature Conservancy, backed it. Critics, including some rural county officials, worried that millions in tax dollars would be removed from tax rolls for local government.

Voters opposed Amendment 1, a measure that would have deleted older language from the state Constitution from the 1920s that had allowed the Legislature to prevent aliens ineligible for citizenship from owning property. However, the Legislature never enacted a law to enforce this.

Amendment 3, a measure to give modest property tax breaks to home­owners who either harden their homes against hurricanes or make homes more energy-efficient, was poised to pass. The tax savings could be minimal, an estimated $15 for each of the 225,370 homeowners who would likely qualify in the first year, according to a state analysis. But it could help bring lower insurance premiums and lower utility bills.

Voters overwhelmingly approved another measure, Amendment 6, to give property tax breaks to marinas, commercial fishing facilities and other "working waterfront" businesses, that can now be assessed at their current use rather than the best potential use.

Waterfront business owners have long complained that their taxes are skyrocketing because property appraisers value the land on its "highest and best" use, not its current use.

Voters rejected a measure, Amendment 8, that would have allowed community colleges to petition their local voters for a sales tax to supplement funding.

Early Tuesday, several hundred voters in Hillsborough County didn't get the second page of their ballots, meaning they couldn't vote on tax breaks for working waterfronts or the sales tax option for community colleges, according to election officials, poll watchers and voters.


Amendment 2 by county

Pinellas: 54.32% Yes, 45.68% No

Hillsborough: 61.27% Yes, 38.73% No

Pasco: 62.02% Yes, 37.98% No

Hernando: 66.32% Yes: 33.67% No


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Comments on this article
by Dorothy Nov 9, 2008 11:06 AM
I think there should be a recount, I'm in a relationship and have been for 5 years, so now that all we worked for, is by law not mine, because I haven't married, where is the justice.
by Jim Nov 7, 2008 11:55 AM
Would you like any of your children adopted by these people if any thing happened to you ?That is the real test and you wont be able to stop it,and once its made legal neither can any one else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Alex Nov 7, 2008 11:55 AM
Look, all of you blaming the passing of the amendment on rednecks are just fooling yourselves. The amendment passed because of the black and latino vote. The amendment failed among white voters.
by Zeke Nov 7, 2008 11:55 AM
Cleo: I'm offended when the oppressed become oppressors. One would think those who suffered bigotry at it's worst wouldn't wish it on others. Obama opposes denying any of Gods children rights, you can be learn much from him, just open your heart.
by MCWAY Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM
Yep, this amendment was so bigoted that it got passed (quite easily) by: Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, men, women, Democrats, Republicans, Christians, non-Christians, young people, old people, rich people, poor people...stop me anytime you like!
by MCWAY Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM
Amendment 2 makes sure that no FL court can change the traditional definition of marriage. If the law is so wrong, why didn't those who think so start an amendment to change it to, say, "a union of any two people"? What stopped you from doing that?
by Steve Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM
I know one str8 girl who already found out she is losing her health insurance she gets from her boyfriend's ("domestic partner")employer. Good job crackpots. Way to come down on those gays. I hope she never gets sick or we will all pay her bills.
by Andryz Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM
Hey Cleo? I am Polish with family under communist Russia. Something that happened less than two decades ago - I am offended you think your race was the only one oppressed. Don't believe me? Look it up. Then we will talk.
by Tana Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM
The Bible says so? The Bible condones child abuse, physical torture, murder and psychological torture. Talk about hypocrites. KEEP YOUR BIBLE!!
by Rich Nov 7, 2008 11:36 AM
That religion can bring about laws to make me go without health care is so contradictory to what the christians sell on sunday. America was founded by people wanting religion and government separate. What happened? Why does religion rule over me?
by chinaski Nov 6, 2008 11:57 AM
I was excited with the election last night, thinking we've come so far as to elect a black man president. Then I realized what a bunch of meatheads we still are in that this ammendment will pass. What a shame & how very sad.
by since1962 Nov 5, 2008 9:05 PM
A new intolerance regime!Did you listen to Senator Obama who opposed this or simply vote color and pulpit? Can hardly wait for the "fey only" facilities. Enjoy Sunday service new righteous where "complex and nuanced" ideas won't challenge your dogma.
by MCWAY Nov 5, 2008 9:05 PM
Now that Florida's a "blue" state, the charges of "rednecks" being responsible for this amendment easily passing simply don't fly (they never did). When are some going to learn that this issue TRANSCENDS race, party, and gender, and (even) religion?
by Zachary Nov 5, 2008 9:01 PM
Gay marriage should not exist. It sends the wrong message to children you might find struggling times with the opposite sex as a sign they are Gay. Everybody knows that activists were looking to get the current law overturned and this protects it.
by JD Nov 5, 2008 8:59 PM
If only bigots vote in support of these kinds of issues, as some people allege, how did it pass in open-minded California? This was the most diverse electoratein history and the issue came out the same way in 3 state. How does that happen?
by appalled Nov 5, 2008 8:59 PM
Welcome to Florida - where we protect the rights of pigs, but not the rights of people. Am I missing something? Cleo - for just one example, look up the name Matthew Sheppard. Discriminatory laws only reinforce hate that leads to vicious crime.
by Since1962 Nov 5, 2008 8:57 PM
Cleo OUR families are never allowed to BEGIN due to Florida adoption laws! Our relatives ARE separated from us due to this religious zealotry! Obama spoke against this very discrimination throughout his campaign and acceptance speech! Dogma=Ignorance
by Robert Nov 5, 2008 8:56 PM
Cleo-No one is saying gays have it worse than blacks. All discrimination is wrong. And yes, gays HAVE had their families separated and been beaten and/or killed-it happens every day. Did you ever hear of Matthew Shepard? Just one example.
by Dee Nov 5, 2008 8:55 PM
Thank you Anne for that. People forget. And think that it's different. It's not, it's the same.
by Dee Nov 5, 2008 8:54 PM
Cleo, are you serious??? Do you not read the newspaper? What about Matthew Shepard who was beaten and killed for being gay? What about others who are killed and tortured? What about bricks being thrown through windows? Spray painting on houses?
by MCWAY Nov 5, 2008 8:54 PM
Larry, before you start commenting about "right-wing neocons" being responsible for Amendment 2 passing, you might want to consider that 47% of Democrats and 71% of black voters (hardly fitting of the "neocon" label) voted for this amendment.
by Stephan Nov 5, 2008 7:14 PM
Lesbian and gay rights? By all means but, not my religion as backing for it! File it civil and keep it there. If gays/lesbians would stop asking for acceptance in the church and stick to the issues theydgetsomehwerewithitall.
by Matt Nov 5, 2008 6:28 PM
To Cleo at 1:09 - if a civil right is violated, it's violated. It's as simple as that, regardless of the situation. I agree with what has been said here - how can Blacks vote to deny someone else something that should be a basic right?
by Larry Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM
Can someone intelligently explain to me how people (right- wing Neo-cons here) who ?claim? that they want to limit government intrusion into the lives of individuals, how can those same people support and encourage the limiting of anyone?s rights? How can any American support limiting liberties by telling you whom you can associate with and the nature of that relationship? How in God?s name, does it hurt anyone if two people want to formalize their relationship through marriage or a civil union? Oh, and a divorce rate of 50% among heterosexual couples is just fine for society too. (Read sarcasm here)
by Cleo Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM
I as a Black person is offended by all of you that are comparing the amendment to what happen to my race Your children wasn't snatched and sold. Or families separated. You didn't wake up with a cross burning in your yard Or was Hung Stop COMPARING
by Anne Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM
It was only 40 years ago that blacks finally had full marriage rights granted, and today they helped to deny rights to another group that is discriminated against. How quickly they forget.
by sheri Nov 5, 2008 1:08 PM
florida will never let gay marriage pass theres to many old ppl/red necks here
by Rick Nov 5, 2008 1:08 PM
If the institution of marriage is in such sad shape that it is threaten by two people who love each other and just happen to be the same sex, then maybe it's time to put it out of it's misery!
by Chris Nov 5, 2008 1:08 PM
I'm sad to say that I'm ashamed to be a Floridian today. Just when there was a ray of hope, the bigots come out and spoil the parade.
by Lori Nov 5, 2008 1:08 PM
This makes me so mad. Just wait until heterosexual couples that don't want to get married start losing benefits and aren't allowed to live together, etc. Gay marriage already wasn't allowed before Amt 2, they gov't is up to something else!
by Dan Nov 5, 2008 1:08 PM
Hmmmmm let's see what other rights the fools in Florida can talk away next. How about you can't marry anyone of a different color? Maybe we should ban politicians who want to be our parents not out leaders.
by TC Nov 5, 2008 1:07 PM
Hey "JIM JOHNNY" We ALL loose! This is just yet another example of people trying to proselytize. I can't get past why people would care if two men or two women want to marry! Mind your own damn business and let people live their own lives!
by Anthony Nov 5, 2008 1:07 PM
How can a state and a nation that believes in equal opportunity vote for such a ban? These rights need to be protected, even if it doesn't affect you. I'm a married man to a wife that would say the same.
by Michael Nov 5, 2008 1:07 PM
Gov. Crist is a hypocrite and a fool -- what a surprise. Florida should be ashamed that it voted for division and exclusion, as opposed to unity and inclusion. Florida went blue, but its soul is still red.
by Lisa Nov 5, 2008 1:07 PM
I was sad to hear that this amendment passed. I am a straight woman that believes in the separation of church and state and in equal rights for ALL. Isn't that what our forefathers fought for? Do people realize how many sraight couples are also hurt?
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