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Analysis

Democrats might not need Florida to win the White House

By Adam C. Smith, Times Political Editor
In print: Sunday, March 16, 2008


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A day hasn't gone by lately without some prominent Democrat wringing his or her hands over Florida's Democratic primary conundrum and darkly warning that Democrats are on the verge of kissing off Florida's 27 electoral votes.

Well, it's time to broach an unspeakable, heretical suggestion in this state: Maybe, just maybe, Democrats can continue snubbing America's biggest swing state and still march into the White House.

Sorry to say it, folks, but Florida may not be center of the political universe this year.

"We've been the target for so many years it's very tough for people to think we might not be,'' said Robin Rorapaugh, a veteran Democratic consultant based in Broward County. "But it is still very much up in the air as to Florida being a targeted state. Part of it is who becomes the nominee, and part of it is balancing the cost of starting a campaign from scratch here."

And part of it is the national electoral map that looks a whole lot more hospitable for Democrats than it did in 2004 or 2000.

"With all these states it's clearly a resource decision, and if you can win the White House without spending millions of dollars in Florida, why would you?'' asked Miami-based Democratic consultant Derek Newton.

The standard Democratic path is to count on some 15 thoroughly Democratic states like New York and California to deliver about 200 electoral votes, and then focus on winning enough swing states to reach the winning number of 270. One Democratic governor once derided the strategy as competing in 16 states and "then hope for a triple bank-shot to win Ohio or Florida."

But the map is changing. Not only are big swing states such as Ohio looking more Democratic-leaning than they have in years, but a host of formerly red states from Virginia to Colorado look ripe for Democrats to pick off.

The Obama campaign is even talking up their ability to win such solidly red states as Kansas and North Carolina.

"Right now it's a lot easier to see some red states going to blue,'' said pollster John Zogby, but he cautioned that despite the national political climate no one should underestimate the Democrats' ability to lose.

For Republicans, the basic electoral vote math remains the same: lose Florida, lose the election.

So no Democratic campaign will admit to writing off Florida, and the nominee will make enough token effort in Florida to force the Republicans to spend money protecting those 27 electoral votes. Indeed, the hard-and-fast campaign decisions won't come until fall, and then will be guided by week-by-week polling data.

By most estimates, Obama would be more likely to de-emphasize Florida than Clinton.

The New York senator was the last Democrat to agree to boycott Florida's primary, has a deep network of supporters in Florida and sprinkled her campaign staff with veterans of Florida campaigns.

All along she has signaled her intention to run a traditional general election strategy focused heavily on the big three swing states: Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Her aides have been quietly fretting for months about how the delay in organizing Florida could hurt in the general election.

In contrast, Obama has always stressed a broader strategy to campaign across the country, rather than just a handful of key states, and his commitment to playing hard in Florida has never been certain.

His campaign has barely attempted diplomacy in repeatedly dismissing as irrelevant the 1.75-million Democrats who voted in Florida's delegate-free primary. While many Florida Democrats warn that their party's nominee will lose Florida if the state has no delegation at the nominating convention, the Obama campaign has never said that's crucial.

Still, local Obama organizers have been active on their own, earlier this month organizing some 200 house parties across the state. The campaign insists both Michigan and Florida are priorities for November.

"If and when there is a nominee, one of the most important tasks in front of us is to make sure we campaign aggressively and build organizations in Michigan and Florida,'' said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. "That is going to be one of our first and most important tasks, to make up for lost ground."

A key sign of how hard Obama might play in Florida: whether he commits to accept public campaign financing and thereby limits his general election spending to about $85-million.

Obama, who is breaking fundraising records, has been vague on that point, but if he decides to opt out of public financing constraints, he would have much more leeway to compete in expensive Florida.

In elections, deciding where to campaign always comes down to resources; where do you get the most bang for the money?

Figuring out the most effective way to win 270 electoral votes involves a mix of political and demographic analysis, polling, computer models and gut instinct. The calculation is even harder this year for Democrats because of Sen. John McCain's potential to put in play Democratic-leaning states from New Hampshire to Pennsylvania with his appeal to cross-over voters.

A close look at the political trends in Florida — deep anxiety over the economy, Democrats gaining seats in the Legislature, state Cabinet and Congress — suggest 2008 could offer Democrats a prime opportunity in Florida. But the biggest selling point the state offers the Democratic nominee is size.

If Obama or Clinton wins Colorado, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico — teetering states Bush won in 2004 — that doesn't add up to Florida's 27 electoral votes.

"Florida equals about five other states. The idea is to give yourself as much leeway as possible to make a mistake, and Florida covers a multitude of mistakes if you're able to pull it out,'' noted Democratic consultant Tad Devine, a top strategist for John Kerry who also remembers the intense internal debate within the Al Gore camp late in 2000 over shifting resources from Ohio to Florida.

"I think there's a very, very good chance that Florida is going to be up close to the top of the target list,'' said Devine, who is not working with Obama or Clinton.

Still, there are plenty of reasons for Democrats to see Florida as out of reach.

A quick look at the state shows Republicans controlling the Legislature in Tallahassee, a Republican governor with stratospheric approval ratings, and the Democrats having handily lost the last two gubernatorial races and the last presidential race.

Add in the political damage done by the Democratic presidential candidates snubbing Florida voters with a campaign boycott, which means a late start building a campaign structure in this state, and Florida looks like a tough and expensive climb.

Kerry took criticism for waiting until June to hire a Florida director in 2004, but independent groups aggressively mobilizing Democratic voters had started their Florida work months earlier. There has been nothing of the kind in Florida this year organized by the campaigns.

Are we still America's biggest battleground state? Probably, but for the first time in a long time, don't bank on it.

Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727)893-8241.



[Last modified: Mar 19, 2008 03:37 PM]



Comments on this article
by what Mar 18, 2008 12:57 PM
what does the democratic primary have to do with electoral votes? nothing! but to see the comments below, people are clearly conflating these two issues. people shouldn't be allowed to vote if they don't know how the government works.
by Ray Mar 18, 2008 11:16 AM
Does not matter - economy is so putrid and getting worse and this is a Bush-Republican economy any way you dice it!! GOP will be shown the door by middle class enraged voters.
by lester davis Mar 18, 2008 11:16 AM
Forget FL- GOP wants it to win the big house and will use trickery to get it. DEMs know its scewed up state & will forget it-because it has little or no effect on the final outcome.
by justhinking Mar 17, 2008 5:54 PM
Florida votes deserve to be counted. There was another state (New Hampshire I think) that did not follow DNC rules as per the date & NOTHING happened to them. No selective treatment! Obama & Clinton were both on the ballot. Count it
by mm Mar 17, 2008 5:25 PM
St. Pete Times, Please hire a comment moderator. Some of these people contribute nothing to the discussion.
by Gene in FL Mar 17, 2008 3:21 PM
The DNC lawsuit today. I wouldn't count FL delegates out yet! http://www.baynews9.com/VideoPlayer/?DNC_Lawsuit_316
by jim Mar 17, 2008 3:16 PM
Next time there should be only 5 primaries running 5 consecutive wweeks. Ten states plus a territory per primary, drawn at random on January 1st of the election year. Dems/GOP/other parties same day same state.
by dz Mar 17, 2008 2:16 PM
Once again Florida is causing confusion in the country. Florida did not play by the early primary rules. Florida did have accurate voting capabilities when Gore ran for office. Learn from your mistakes. Come back in 4 years and do it right!
by Issywise Mar 17, 2008 1:41 PM
Thoughtful article. How do Florida supporters ignore that their candidate endorsed their own disenfranchisement and now offers to "recognize" the vote, but to then decide who was voted for? That's a lot of contempt aimed your personal
by Robert_V Mar 17, 2008 10:03 AM
This is sheer nonsense. Obama is not going to win Kansas or NC nor any of the red states that he has won in the primary with the exception of IA, and perhaps NM. It is not clear that he can win PA or OH. He will need FL, and so will McCain!
by BobW Mar 17, 2008 10:02 AM
Interesting theory but I think you're wrong. Even if the Democratic Party cleans up on House and Senate elections, I don't think either Obama or Clinton can win the presidency. And I don't think it will be close.
by DennyK Mar 17, 2008 10:02 AM
"And part of it is the national electoral map that looks a whole lot more hospitable for Democrats than it did in 2004 or 2000." For who, that Black Chicago politician, or for the most hated woman in America? Ah, where would we be without
by NT Mar 17, 2008 10:02 AM
The Dems will need FL even is the Obama side does not think so. Obama may win some Red States, but he put in play Blue states like OH, PA and NJ. FL is very important to the Dems and only Clinton is fighting for their vote.
by chuck Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
If Dems right off Florida they could take the election by taking Col, New Mex and Ohio. All more winable than Florida.NOt much more money would be spent doing that with more potential.
by bukou Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Florida and Michigan must not be allowed to flout the DNC directives without dire consequences, otherwise other states will follow their example in the future.America should really be a land where the rule of law holds for ALL not just for the poor.
by Phil Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
If the Obama camps thinks they can win KS, they're smoking something illegal. And if they think they can write off FL and still win the White House, they're delusional. If FL's uncontested, McCain will use the $$$ elsewhere: PA, MI, MN
by Trooper Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Dems have a better chance in Florida than they do in Virginia, North Carolina, or Kansas, though that chance is not necessarily good. The real question is can they hold Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota?
by rujimmy Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
I did a sample in my community; the older white Democratic vote is going for Hilary first; or John McCain, there is no Obama option. Get real if 87 % of blacks vote for Obama and 70% of the whites voted for Hilary; were will
by Quincy Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
The Democratic Party did not snub Florida. Rather, Florida's own sense of importance drove it to defy party rules. I live in Texas, a fairly populous state. We followed the rules, and had our say in the primary this year. Florida could have
by Jimmy J Sanborn Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Nancy Pelosi split the Democrats when she said there was no chance for a joint ticket. Democrats are threatening to leave left and right if their candidate is not on the ticket. Remember: Half of the party supports Clinton the other half Obama.
by Right Democrat Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Florida isn't the center of the political universe but it is a stupid strategy to go around writing off states.
by voter 890 Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
This is just more media pushing Obama. He's going to get crushed by McCain. Democrats are such chronic losers.
by Reed Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Your comments have a fundamental flaw, perhaps reflecting your bias. Republicans are not weak in the "swing" states, Ohio, Michigan, Missouri.If you check current polls, John McCain leads both Dems in those states and in Florida by solid m
by ConcernedCitizen Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
The Democrats may feel that we, and I am a Democrat, do not count. However I have news for them, Since my vote counted for nothing with them, I will be casting my vote for John McCain where my vote will be counted.
by Gayle Rankin Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Florida's not needed if Obama is the nominee. He's much more likely to win against McCain than Clinton.
by Sugar Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
According to Obama's campaign, Florida, Michigan, and now Pennsylvania don't matter for him to win the general election? Oh, I forgot Ohio.
by linda e Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Florida's primary should be counted. Both Clinton and Obama did not ampaign there, but the fact that she won it showed that Floridians suppot is for HRC.
by Stephen P. Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM
Typical dishonest Clinton tactic to sign a pledge that the Florida primary WOULD NOT COUNT, then pretend she didn't do this after she found out Obama could win primaries. Why should we trust her to "get the phone" at 3 am when she co
by kurt Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
If Obama thinks he is going to carry Kansas or NC he is dreaming. Also the Dems are currently behind in PA and MI and Ohio. It is the Dems who are losing states they should be winning.
by Ray Anton Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
Mr. Smith Instead of being an objective journalist, you are nothing but a cheerleader for the Democratic Party. How sad. Sold your sould to the devil!!
by Sam Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
Florida is irrelevant in the Democrats march to the White House. But, Floridians did it to themselves. We should kick to the curb all Republican legislators. Unless you like "Privatizing Profits and Socializing Losses" which is the Republic
by Jeff Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
If the dems lose FL again they will lose the election again, this is garbage. They will not win nc or ohio, what is wrong with you people?
by Charles Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
I imagine the person in Florida who wanted to have the primary moved up, should be on the outside looking in. what a dumb move, I could have waited to vote, and it wouldn't have mattered in the outcome
by Tom Camvycis Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
IA M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE DEMS HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN OFF FLORIDA; THAT'S A WISE DECISION: DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY. RATHER YOU'LL NEED ALL OF OF TO HOLD PA, MICH, NEW HAMP, MAINE,CONNECTICUT (LIEBERMAN COUNTRY) , WISCONSIN
by Dr_Dug Mar 17, 2008 10:00 AM
I'm banking on it....cause we're still the best State in the Union.
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