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Obama's key losses pose questions
By
Adam C. Smith, Times Political Editor
In print: Tuesday, April 22, 2008
The punditocracy has spoken.
If Hillary Rodham Clinton loses today's Democratic primary in Pennsylvania, she's finished. Even if she beats Barack Obama by only a few percentage points, it's probably the end of this interminable presidential primary.
But let's step back from the conventional wisdom.
Is it so silly to expect that Obama — all but anointed as the inevitable nominee, campaigning full throttle and outspending Clinton more than 2-to-1 in Pennsylvania — should win a primary in a crucial swing state? Is it naive to think that the likely Democratic nominee should not struggle to win over Democrats in big states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida?
Obama is beating Clinton in states won, pledged delegates, popular vote and fundraising, and he remains the overwhelming favorite for the nomination, regardless of what happens in Pennsylvania today. But the fact remains that the Illinois senator has been unable to close the deal, and the Keystone state could renew questions about Obama's strength in November.
"Clearly it's going to be awfully hard for him to win some of those big states that Hillary Clinton's won,'' said Clinton supporter and former Tampa Mayor Sandy Freedman, noting Obama's difficulty in winning over working-class white voters. "After you've spent I don't know how many tens of million of dollars, you've had 21 debates, and you've targeted those voters and aren't winning them, what does it say about your chances in November?"
For all the buzz about Obama's success in contest after contest, this has not been a blowout. It's worth remembering that if Democrats awarded delegates the way Republicans do — with winner-take-all contests, instead of proportionally by votes — Clinton would be comfortably ahead in delegates, not Obama.
Nobody doubts Obama's ability to win Democratic states like California or New York, after losing those primaries.
The fact remains, though, that Clinton at this point looks stronger in the states that make the biggest difference in who wins and loses the White House: Ohio, whose primary she won by 10 points; Pennsylvania, where the average of recent polls shows her leading by about 6 points; and Florida, whose officially meaningless primary she won by 17 percentage points.
Florida is a trickier question, as neither candidate campaigned in the state. But show me a candidate struggling to win over Hispanic voters and Jewish voters, as Obama has, and I see someone with dubious prospects in the Sunshine State.
Obama's broader problem is winning over downscale white voters, the people who helped Al Gore win the popular vote in 2000 but then went with George W. Bush four years later.
"Historically, the people that are most likely to be swing voters are the kinds of voters among whom Sen. Obama's had his greatest problems,'' Geoff Garin, Clinton's chief strategist, said Monday. "In order for a Democrat to win, he or she has to be able to do well with those kinds of noncollege-educated voters who feel very comfortable moving from one side to the other."
The Clinton team, of course, is running out of arguments to win over uncommitted superdelegates who will ultimately decide the nomination. She is left with little besides raising doubts about Obama's electability.
"I think the fact that we've won twice as many states, more delegates and more votes from a diverse coalition of voters, speaks to Obama's appeal,'' Obama spokesman Bill Burton said. "When you constantly use political tactics to try to move the goal posts in this contest, you shouldn't wonder why it is you have a credibility problem with the American people."
It's mathematically impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama in pledged delegates, and anything but a huge win in Pennsylvania will make it hard to catch up to Obama in popular votes cast. But that's not stopping the Clinton campaign from trying to control expectations.
"If Sen. Obama can't win a big swing state with that enormous spending advantage, just what will it take for him to win a large swing state?" Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said Monday, estimating Obama is outspending Clinton 3-to-1 in Pennsylvania. "If he does not win, it will again raise very serious questions among voters and superdelegates."
Obama has already cut into Clinton's double-digit lead in Pennsylvania and could well upset her today. But even if he doesn't come especially close, Tampa-based Democratic consultant Bernie Campbell doubts many undecided superdelegates will flock to Clinton.
"The Clintons have had machinery that's gone back a long time in Pennsylvania, and the superdelegates are going to be considering lots of factors, including why he was outspending her in Pennsylvania,'' said Campbell, who is uncommitted. "Superdelegates are also going to look at why is Obama raising $45-million in a month, and why is she $10-million in debt, because they know we're going to have to raise some money in the general election."
Clinton could be finally knocked to the mat today. Or she could buy a few more weeks to make her case and hope for a serious Obama stumble. Either way, she has already proved Obama is not nearly as daunting as many observers had seen.
Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727)893-8241.
State nominating contests won
Clinton (14): Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas
Obama (27): Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
What's next for Democrats
Today: Pennsylvania primary, 158 delegates
May 3: Guam caucuses, 4 delegates
May 6: North Carolina primary, 115 delegates; Indiana primary, 72 delegates
May 13: West Virginia primary, 28 delegates
May 20: Oregon primary, 52 delegates; Kentucky primary, 51 delegates
June 1: Puerto Rico primary, 55 delegates
June 3: Montana primary, 16 delegates; South Dakota primary, 15 delegates
>>fast facts
State nominating contests won
Hillary Clinton (14): Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas
Barack Obama (27): Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
What's next for Democrats
Today: Pennsylvania primary, 158 delegates
May 3: Guam caucuses, 4 delegates
May 6: North Carolina primary, 115 delegates; Indiana primary, 72 delegates
May 13: West Virginia primary, 28 delegates
May 20: Oregon primary, 52 delegates; Kentucky primary, 51 delegates
June 1: Puerto Rico primary, 55 delegates
June 3: Montana primary, 16 delegates; South Dakota primary, 15 delegates
[Last modified: Apr 24, 2008 11:56 AM]
Comments on this article
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by Gloria
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Apr 22, 2008 8:16 PM
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Hillary has the passion, strength, and experience and this is the headline for why I support her. No matter the spin from the Obama campaign about
states and delgates won, when it is a matter of what really counts Sen. Clinton prevails.
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by Clark
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Apr 22, 2008 8:15 PM
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For all those that carry this attitude "I will never vote for Barak Obama. I will vote for Hillary Clinton if they give the nomination to Obama I will vote and campaign for John McCain" You are only hurting yourself. You want four more year
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by Amber
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Apr 22, 2008 8:14 PM
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Hillary is the best candidate. If it's a choice between McCain and Obama, I will vote for McCain, but I wont be happy about it. Obama is the Democratic version of George Bush. Smarter, yes, but always speaking in vague glittering generalities.
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by Joe
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Apr 22, 2008 8:14 PM
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Questions based on premise that Obama losing some primaries means he won't win those states' general elections. Seems too simplistic--doesn't account for open v. closed primaries & other. Would be good to see historical a
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by Connie
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Apr 22, 2008 8:11 PM
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Hillary is the only one I will vote for in the National Election. She will win the nomination.
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by Nancy
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Apr 22, 2008 8:11 PM
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If Democrats nominated by "winner-take-all" like Republicans, Clinton's delegate count would be ahead of Obama 54% to 46% assuming a PA win today. With Fl & MI included, Hillary would have secured the nominatio
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by Janet
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Apr 22, 2008 8:10 PM
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Obama favored overwhelmingly to win the nomination?
Everyone knows where that comes from. Most of the people I know will vote for McCain before Obama who clearly surrounds himself with those who hate whites. He is an empty shirt.
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by kitty
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Apr 22, 2008 8:10 PM
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look at all the mcsame supporters here posing as angry dems! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. It must suck to be as scared as they are.
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by Toni
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Apr 22, 2008 8:10 PM
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This race is extremely close and the fact that Obama can't win these big states with the advantage he has in funding is problematic. It is my hope that the super delegates will see this and give Senator Clinton the nomination. He is unelectable
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by Clark
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Apr 22, 2008 8:07 PM
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I am amaze how Sen. Clinton stands before people head up,chest out she is seen as being stong, and confident. Sen. Obama stands before the people same posture and he is seen as being arrogant. I like the fact that he has such positive mannerism.
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by Sharon
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Apr 22, 2008 5:05 PM
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I not ready for Hillary to quit I don't believe Obama can win what we need to in the GE I think he is weak
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by Alessandro Machi
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Apr 22, 2008 2:15 PM
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Obama's lead is based on the caucus states in which 88% less voters selected each delegate. Floridians should be offended that the Obama camp has arrogantly placed so much emphasis on tiny groups of voters.
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by Janice
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Apr 22, 2008 2:14 PM
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Obama is someone who I believe should not be president. With his own comments and lies, his wife's comments about America, his sitting in a pew for twenty years with a preacher who spurts out trash about America and his involvement with two croo
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by Karissa
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Apr 22, 2008 2:14 PM
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I think the majority of your comments here show that the PEOPLE do not want Sen. Clinton to back down and give up.
She has every right to continue. She has the tenacity and brains to get the job done, and work for US in the White House.
GO HILLARY
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by Bryan
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Apr 22, 2008 12:57 PM
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I disagree that Clinton would be better against McCain. Obama is the best candidate for change. Regardless of who wins the nomination, the last thing we need is McCain, 4 more years of the same. Come together and support whichever Dem gets the nod!
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by Jim
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Apr 22, 2008 12:52 PM
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You are right on the money! I too was an Obama supporter ... except that I did not know why? Yes, he is a good speaker, but that's about all.
His involvement with the self-proclaimed Weatherman Pentagon Terrorist was the last straw for m
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by Cory
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Apr 22, 2008 12:51 PM
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Reading these comments it makes me sick. Life long republican and it makes me sick to hear republican vs. democrat. Woke up a long time ago and realized neither party has the peoples best interest in mind. Stop voting party lines and vote American!!!
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by Gloria
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Apr 22, 2008 11:39 AM
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I can only say what I feel and what I will do if Obama is the nominee. I most definitely will vote for John McCain as I have alot of unanswered questions about Obama plus the fact that he is so arrogant. He has the same arrogance of George W. Bush.
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by Shari
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Apr 22, 2008 11:34 AM
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Would anyone go to a church like that for 20 minutes much less 20 years unless you believed in Rev Wright's views? As a person of this world, Obama scares the H out of me!! He has shown that he doesn't respect our flag or our country. Wake
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by River
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Apr 22, 2008 11:29 AM
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Why can't we all just get along???? Pay more attention to environmental matters. Fight later, if you must...
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by Ray
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Apr 22, 2008 11:28 AM
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Hillary can get the 270 Electoral Votes to win the Presidency - Obama cannot. Too bad the Dems cannot realize this because Obama's people are just giving us McCain - Endless War and Recession and No Health Plan.
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by JK
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Apr 22, 2008 11:28 AM
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The dems have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. What was a sure thing, a dem white house, is now a romp for McCain.
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by Bob, Florida-RFO
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Apr 22, 2008 11:28 AM
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FL should be counted but it is difficult to accept the votes in MI. Anyway look at the geo-political scenario in the Middle East and our land use + airfield rights in those countries and we can clearly see the coming war with Iran! Vote Wis
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by Roger
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Apr 22, 2008 11:27 AM
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Senator Clinton needs to fight all the way. She's the only candidate who can save this country, and Obama would be another Dukakis / McGovern, except they were actually qualified for the job.
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by Lee
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Apr 22, 2008 11:27 AM
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Obama is eloquent, but just empty words.His strategy to convince the voters is similar to that of the communists; just vain promises which are very dangerous in this critical time of the U S.
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by geezer
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Apr 22, 2008 9:59 AM
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This argument is bologna! But then that's all Hillary has left isn't it? She had a lop-sided advantage going in of name recognition and money. And yet THE PEOPLE have chosen someone else. Dems will come together in Nov.
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by sam
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Apr 22, 2008 9:58 AM
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I SAY NO DECISIONS are made until FL and MI are respectfully included in this DAMN primary. HOw dare you say THEY both didn't campaign, BO campaigned in Florida with TV ADS, ignoring the agreement he signed not to.
FL and MI to be counted !!
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by Frank
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Apr 22, 2008 9:39 AM
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As one of her supporters, I say If Clinton wins by 10 points or more she should stay in the race and fight it out. Less than 10 and its over for her and I vote for Obama! We dont need 4 more years of Bush/McCain mistakes.
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by Cullen
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Apr 22, 2008 9:13 AM
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Obama can cot win the swing states like like ohio,I lived there you don't win ohio primary you don't win white house the democrats need to use the republician form of selection, Obama does not impress me and I am white college educated and
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by JMB
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Apr 22, 2008 9:13 AM
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Try to rise above the typical pundits. Contrary to pundit opinions, Obama is not the end all to beat all. Clinton is the true candidate of change and the ONLY candidate who can beat the Republicans.
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by Scott
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Apr 22, 2008 9:12 AM
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Sonia, vote for McCain and get more of the same. More war, less health care, less jobs, less earnings, more debt ...! Think real hard about voting for McCain. He is a pitiful candidate. I suggest holding your nose and voting for the Democrat.
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by victory
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Apr 22, 2008 9:10 AM
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You wish the Cry Baby elite, is coronated king eh? No we need a leader, a fighter for the people! Hillary has the leadership quality and substance, you can wish and spin all you like, we're taking Hillary all the way to the White House! Count FL
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by kitty
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Apr 22, 2008 8:38 AM
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My candidate was eliminated months ago, and like every other Democrat I know, I intend to throw my support behind the person who wins the nomination. There will be no staying home. There will be no voting for mcsame or a third party candidate.
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by New
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Apr 22, 2008 8:37 AM
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Obama has some of the best strategist available, money out the gazoo, a fabricated record in Illinois, no record to speak of in the Senate, debates really poorly, cannot win small towns, cannot admit failure, why are we haveing this conversation.
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by Melissa
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Apr 22, 2008 8:37 AM
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It is good to see someone from your newspaper finally say something positive about Hillary Clinton. I believe America is waking up and finally seeing Barrack Obama for the person he is. His use of obscene hand gesture tells me all I need to know.
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