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Legislature: It's okay to bring a gun to work
By
Alex Leary, Times Staff Writer
In print: Thursday, April 10, 2008
TALLAHASSEE — The National Rifle Association finally won its three-year fight Wednesday to allow Floridians to bring guns to work.
But powerful business groups, which lost a riveting battle for the loyalty of Republican lawmakers on the issue, said they will sue to prevent the measure from becoming law.
"It's inevitable," said David Daniel, chief lobbyist for the Florida Chamber of Commerce.
The Florida Senate, on a 26-13 vote that mirrored the earlier party-line vote in the House, sent to the governor a bill that prohibits businesses from barring employees or customers from bringing firearms with them and leaving them in locked vehicles.
Only employees with concealed weapons permits would be protected. Schools are exempt, as are power plants and other secure locations.
Gov. Charlie Crist said he anticipates signing the bill (HB 503): “The Second Amendment is very important. I understand there are competing interests, but people being protected is most important to me."
The Preservation & Protection of the Right to Keep & Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act would go into effect July 1, assuming there is no injunction from a pending lawsuit.
"It's absolutely absurd," said Martin Daugherty, owner of Image Depot in St. Petersburg. "My taxes are going up, they are talking about closing courts and not funding health care, and they are passing stuff like this?"
The bill is modeled after NRA-backed legislation in a handful of other states, including Oklahoma. But the law there was overturned last year by a judge who said it conflicted with a federal law meant to protect employees at their jobs. The state attorney general has appealed.
"The Florida Constitution gives the right to keep and bear arms and specifically says for self-defense. That's what this issue has been about since Day 1," said Marion Hammer, the NRA's Florida lobbyist.
The NRA pursued the legislation in the 2006 and 2007 sessions, only to hit a wall. Many Republicans wanted the issue to go away, not wanting to pick sides between private property rights and gun rights.
The measure died in the House last year just two days after the Virginia Tech shootings — a point Sen. Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa, invoked during Wednesday's debate.
"We had the good sense to stop it last year because we knew it was the right thing to do," Joyner said. "Nothing has changed. & People's lives will be imperiled."
But Sen. Durell Peaden, the Panhandle Republican who sponsored the bill, dismissed those concerns and said people with "pistol-totin' " permits should be able to protect themselves. "It doesn't tell you you have to go out and buy a gun," he said. "It doesn't promote violence."
The breakthrough this session — an election year — came when the House changed the bill to restrict it to employees with concealed weapons permits. There are about 487,000 permit holders in Florida. Their identities are shielded under an exemption in the state's open records law.
Bill Bunting, a Republican Party official in Pasco County and well-known gun rights advocate, said that permit holders are versed in safety and that should provide a comfort level.
"Businesses should be happy about this," Bunting said. "If John K. Jerk comes onto a property trying to do harm, it would be nice to know a responsible employee can run out into his car and help alleviate the problem."
Businesses, however, fear the accessibility of guns if there are disgruntled employees or if someone breaks into a car and takes one.
"This bill engenders an environment that will be less safe than the current one," said Rick McAllister, president of the Florida Retail Federation.
He said business groups will still lobby Crist to veto the bill, but acknowledged a lawsuit may be the only hope.
"Clearly there has been an ongoing Plan B."
Alex Leary can be reached at (850)224-7263 or aleary@sptimes.com.
[Last modified: Apr 15, 2008 07:49 PM]
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by Walt
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Apr 10, 2008 5:25 PM
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I have a permit for a tank. Will I be able to park it in my cubical at work? This sounds stupid, I know...so does this potential new law!!
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by Sandra
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Apr 10, 2008 5:25 PM
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This law is ludicrous! There are too many guns in the hands of our citizens. How many law-abiding citizens do you think will go out and buy a gun? We need stricter gun control laws. Ask the families who have lost loved ones due to legal firea
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by Pinellas Park
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Apr 10, 2008 5:25 PM
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I don't understand the uproar. Guns are already available. You can go to these stinkin' pawn shops, get a gun and start shootin away. Where's the uproar about pawn shops selling guns? Hello!
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by Al
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Apr 10, 2008 5:21 PM
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"When guns are oulawed, only outlaws will have guns." I have been trough the CCW process, and practice to be sure I can defend myself and loved ones. Who knows you might be saved from a murderer or rapist or ??? by a CCW holder.
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by Mike
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Apr 10, 2008 5:21 PM
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I really feel proud at this moment to be a Floridian. Taxes, gas, insurance, poverty, education, homelessness, global warning, etc.. All major issues today and the govt tackles guns to work?? These 23 approvers in the legislature should be .......
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by Sam
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Apr 10, 2008 5:19 PM
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Now that a new law will allow people to bring guns to work, I can see where a dissatisfied worker would, instead of saying "take this job and shove it" to his boss, take out his gun and shoot the bastard. That is unless the boss is quicker
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by Art
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Apr 10, 2008 5:18 PM
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Who is issued a permit? As long as you don't have a felony conviction, but you can be a drunkard, mentally unstable, be charged with a dozens of misdemeanors and be the kind of person who all would agree should not armed state will issue a perm
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by destin girl
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Apr 10, 2008 5:18 PM
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I am the holder of a concealed weapons permit, I obtained thru a class at a gun show. We should be VERY afraid of people who obtained them this way! The class is a joke as far as safety is concerned!
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by Art
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Apr 10, 2008 5:17 PM
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How well trained are the permit holders? Less than two hours, most don't know which end of the gun bullets come from, but with the new NRA shoot first law they can apply deadly force in a way no police officer can. NRA states all are well traine
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by Art
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Apr 10, 2008 5:15 PM
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Marion Hammer, the lobbyist for the NRA in Fl and author of this bill stated Fl Constitution quotes 2nd Amendment right to bear amms? Yes, but Miss Hammer left out that quotation is followd by the words,"Except as may be prescribed by law!"
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by jeff
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Apr 10, 2008 4:33 PM
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Tiny minds win again. The NRA has more American blood on their hands than Al Queda could ever hope for. Their opposition to common sense gun control is pathetic. They should be categorized as a terrorist organization and banned like the KKK.
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by Bob
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Apr 10, 2008 4:32 PM
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I thoroughly disagree with this bill. Now a disgrunted employee only has to go to their car to get a gun. Looks like our politicans have again caved in to the NRA. Don't our politicans have more important things to do.
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by Jack
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Apr 10, 2008 4:31 PM
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Chances are the so called NRA loonies have always kept a gun in their car. If you anti gun folks really want something to freak out about, the SPT should do a pole of how many do. Funny thing is, it's not a problem until it's brought to you
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by Truett
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Apr 10, 2008 4:30 PM
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Why do the shoot'em up nuts of this country do their evil deeds where it is welll known that people are not armed?
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by Lisa
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Apr 10, 2008 4:29 PM
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OK- so we now know the only thing more powerful to republicans than Big Business- it's the NRA. I'm a gun owner, and work an HR; this will be a nightmare. The no 1 cause of death of women in the workplace? Murder. Lets make
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by jime
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Apr 10, 2008 4:28 PM
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another sad silly stupid day for florida. every day that passes our elected grafticians make it easier for me to leave what was the greatest state in the union...
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by Dave
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Apr 10, 2008 1:27 PM
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This is a good law and I am glad it passed. Everyone has the right to protect themselves and leaving a gun in you car at work in no way endangers more people. It will actually help save lives. All you anti gun people are pathetic.
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by tash
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Apr 10, 2008 1:26 PM
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many ignorant comments below. next u will argue its ok if companies restrict pants from being worn on premises. until companies provide armed guards to transport workers to and from work, they have no business telling workers not 2 protect themselves
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by Vince
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Apr 10, 2008 1:25 PM
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You bleeding-heart liberal 'crats make me sick.
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by carolyn
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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This makes me ashamed of my legislature, my governor, and to live in Florida. Florida is like several other states in that the nra is more powerful than those who see the danger and backwardness of a state that gives in to the ridiculous notion that
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by Chris
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Gun owners have a right to carry; BUT, private land owners have a right to say who comes on their property. This "compromise" will be found unconstitutional because it was created to find a halfway point. There is none.
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by Chris
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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As much as a person has a right to carry a gun, he also has a right to get a new job with an employer who doesn’t mind him on his private property with that gun. Both right will be maintained. Once again our government tries to appease all for votes
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by Roy
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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It will be hard to strike down this bill on a court since the people allowed to keep a Gun-Locked-In-Your-Car ( NOT Guns-At-Work) are CWP holders and not the general public.CWP holders are licensed by the state
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by CARMEN
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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We should have the right to bear arms to protect ourselfs from others.
Guns don't kill people,people kill people we are the ones with the brains guns don't have any, this bill doesn't promote Violence but gives me a right to protect m
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by geezer
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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This law is absurd! Every boss out there will now have to worry about employees getting angry. Doesn't anyone remember the term 'going postal'? Come on governor...use some common sense!
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by Kevin
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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OK, so what happens when some "pistol totin'" NRA looney has a bad day at work?
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by Joyce
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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I am sorry but Crist allowing guns to be brought to work in a locked car just seems like pandering to the NRA. Maybe for a chance at the Vice-presidency. I really don't know but it looks that way to me. There are to many guns on the stree
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by Bill
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Oh great. Let whacky gun owners bring their guns to work. Watch murders soar in FL this year. Guns kill people.
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by natalie
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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If the bill passes I foresee a drop in tourism and Snowbirds.
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by Dan
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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The arguments for keeping a gun in the car are pitifully weak. What a misguided waste of precious debate time in our legislature!
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by Ron
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Could you tell me how these work places knew employees had guns in their vehicles in the first place? I think these work places must treat thier workers pretty bad to have disgruntled people,that they are worried someones bringing a gun for a raise.
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by Jason
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Come on, folks, this is really taking liberties in re: "right to bear arms". This is an example of knee-jerk legislation.
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by tranottoc
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Isn't it strange that 60 years ago we carried guns in our vehicles and never locked our vehicles or our homes?
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by Totem
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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Um, yeah, right. Guns = safe. Let me see that study. I love the reasonable thought processes of Florida bumkins....
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by John
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Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM
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So when the guy runs out to his car to get his gun and the police arrive, who are they going to shoot. With this stupid law, how are the police supposed to know who are the bad guys. This is idiotic beyond belief.
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