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Column | Howard Troxler
Aiming at Adam & Steve, or a lot more?
In print: Sunday, May 11, 2008
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I'm a wild-eyed libertarian on this topic -- I'm for gay marriage with gun ownership. I think civil marriage is nothing but a state-approved legal contract that ought to be open to everybody.
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Floridians have to decide this November whether to put a ban on same-sex marriage in our state Constitution.
Maybe you're thinking: "Huh? Didn't we already ban this in Florida?"
Yep. You bet. Our Legislature passed a law.
But the backers say the ban ought to be in our Constitution too. So they got enough petition signatures to put it on the ballot.
There are two levels of debate here, the first being simply whether you like this idea.
But the second question is whether the Marriage Protection Amendment — by accident or design — also might outlaw all sorts of other things, such as domestic partner benefits or legal arrangements made among long-time companions.
The question arises in the wording of the amendment:
Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.
Now, what the heck does "the substantial equivalent thereof" mean?
If it means, "any kind of rights that married people have," then we might be in trouble.
Florida Red and Blue, a group fighting the amendment, claims it would "take away the ability to visit loved ones in the hospital, harm our seniors, eliminate insurance benefits for non-married couples, and require government to take an even larger role in all our lives."
The backers of the amendment say this is nonsense. What they mean by "substantial equivalent" is something close to full-scale marriage, such as a civil union. After all, marriage involves more than 1,100 legal issues and rights, according to one estimate.
But ultimately, the decision of what this means will be up to the courts. Somebody is gonna sue, guaranteed.
This past week, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that same-sex benefits violated that state's ban on anything "similar" to marriage, and were therefore illegal.
What will the Florida courts say? We got one hint in 2006, back when the Florida Supreme Court approved the wording of this amendment for the ballot.
At that time, the Florida court said this amendment was not deceptive — its "plain wording" clearly deals with unions that are like marriage overall, and does not target individual legal rights.
Still, that ruling was about the ballot language only. The court could always rule differently later.
Not for the first time, I wish there were a way to "edit" proposed amendments after the fact to clear up such problems. If the backers are sincere about not wanting to outlaw existing benefits, it would take only an extra sentence or so to make it crystal clear.
But we don't get to edit. We only get to vote "yes" or "no" on the language in front of us.
I'm a wild-eyed libertarian on this topic — I'm for gay marriage with gun ownership. I think civil marriage is nothing but a state-approved legal contract that ought to be open to everybody.
But even if you believe that same-sex marriage should be illegal, the question here is whether this amendment — which outlaws something that's already illegal — risks a future court ruling that would intrude into the private affairs of thousands of Floridians.
[Last modified: May 13, 2008 06:48 PM]
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by Paul
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May 13, 2008 6:48 PM
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The Florida Conference of the United Church of Christ opposes this amendment (Amendment 2) because it is bigoted, and because the UCC supports equality for ALL people!
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by Daniel
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May 13, 2008 9:39 AM
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When they say they're only trying to protect marriage, they're lying. If they were really trying to protect marriage, they would seek to ban divorce and adultery. This amendment is nothing more than plain, outright bigotry.
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by David
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May 13, 2008 9:39 AM
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They should require school teachers to marry the kids they rape-after the 2nd rape which occurs very often in TPA area
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by Zeke
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May 12, 2008 1:28 PM
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The term Substantial Equivalent Thereof is meant to open the door for a court ruling such as Michigan. Stemberger vehemently denies it, but, we knew he intends to go after domestic partners benefits. This should be a wake up call for all Floridian's.
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by Chris
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May 12, 2008 12:45 PM
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Marriage is a religious institution, promise to God by 1 man and 1 woman. Civil union is contract between two people, males or females. Do NOT CONFUSE THE TWO. I have no problem with civil unions for anyone, with ALL benefits that come therewith.
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by John
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May 12, 2008 10:42 AM
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Thx Mike. We have Ronald Regan to thank for non-contested quick divorces.He was the 1st Gov to sign it into law.So much for the party of family values. It use to take over to a year of legal separtation to get a divorce.Time to think about the kids.
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by Trixi
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May 12, 2008 10:42 AM
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FL Constitution protects, pregnant pigs oops they were slaughtered after the passage. Const Right to slots for tots education oops cutting ed budget. Const Right to a bullet train to Disney oops repealed for cost.Stop junking up the Constitution!
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by Randy
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May 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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Not all Christians are for this amendment. Members of an Open and Affirming congregation such as Lakewood United Church of Christ would not support this. Following Christ means to love following the example he set. This ammendment doesn't.
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by Edward
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May 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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I'll never understand what people are so dog-darn afraid of...
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by UM
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May 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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Russ, WHY does it have to be a man and a woman? Hmm? What tells you that? Is it religion? Now tell me, what is religious about modern marriage? Walk in, sign papers, voila! Married! You deny benefits based upon..? That is prejudice.
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by wazzamattaU
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May 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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Homosexuality is wrong; always was; always will be. Why should the State condone it?
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by Deanna
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May 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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As part of the LGBT community, I feel that our rights are less than that of a monkey. We deserve to have the same rights as anyone else, whether to marry or have family health insurance with our same sex partners.
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by Trixi
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May 12, 2008 10:37 AM
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Leave laws to law makers opps take your guns to work law.
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by Bill
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May 12, 2008 9:37 AM
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If you think this will impact only gays and lesbians who can't get married in this state anyway, why is David Caton of "Florida Family Association" talking about challenging Tampa's domestic partnership regs? Please -- vote NO on 2.
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by Mike
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May 12, 2008 9:36 AM
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Protect Marriage! Ban Divorce!!
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by Renee
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May 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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Hey Russ--My tax $ pays 4 your crap!!
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by David
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May 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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I'm voting No. If there's any chance this can take away benefits, it's not worth it.
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by Allan
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May 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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Vote against the ban. Same sex marriage doesn't hurt me. It's the totalitarian, misery-inflicting, sadistic, religious right-wing, big brother government gang who want it. Their religion is: inflict as much misery and pain on as many as can be.
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by Donna
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May 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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All lawyers should be in favor of same sex marriage. It's a contract. Consenting adults should be able to enter into a contract of their own choosing. Plus when it breaks down there's all that divorce pain & suffering the rest of us have to go thru.
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by libbyRal
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May 11, 2008 8:34 PM
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HeyRuss, MY tax dollars pay for MY own civil benefits. Don't vote to take them away.
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by norman
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May 11, 2008 8:33 PM
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enforce the current law banning same sex marriage, no need to further clutter up the Constitution.
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by Anne
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May 11, 2008 8:33 PM
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Voters, please realize this cancels out all benefits for straight couples that aren't married, as well...many retired, and many with children!
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by Stewart
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May 11, 2008 8:33 PM
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In a country whose doctrine subscribes to "fairness" to all, why are we still trying to discriminate against those who aren't exactly like the "perfect" image we see as ourself? Wouldn't Thomas Jefferson be very disappointed in us?
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by Stephanie
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May 11, 2008 8:33 PM
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I completely agree with Howard,marriage is a contract, no more, no less - butt out gov't! As a happily married mother of six, I wonder what everyone is so afraid of. If gay marriage is allowed, it doesn't make my marriage any less happy or sacred.
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by Doug
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May 11, 2008 1:38 PM
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Marriages are just civil unions with a religious ceremony to call it a marriage. If churches do not want to conduct the wedding, then don’t. But it still should be up to the couple what they want. It is funny how religious groups use the bible when it works for them but soon forgets that it says to treat others as you would like to be treated. Well?
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by Heather
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May 11, 2008 1:33 PM
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I have never understood how same sex marriage harms the marrige of a man and a woman. Can anyone explain this? I'm all for same sex marriages and hope this amendment is defeated!
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by Jan
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May 11, 2008 1:31 PM
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It's not a zero-sum game. Allowing gay marriage, or its substantial equivalent, does not erode the significance or benefits of "traditional" marriage. This amendment was created by homophobes and religious zealots and should be rejected.
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by Russ
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May 11, 2008 1:28 PM
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Hey Don Quixote,you're seeing to many windmills here. Hidden agendas are annoying. If you want defend something dont mask it with scare tactics.No one who's not Married i.e. a man & a woman should get civil benefits,, especially if my tax $ pay 4 it!
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by Jim
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May 11, 2008 1:18 PM
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A similar amendment was defeated in Arizona for the same reasons. Vagueness is the tool of tyranny.
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by Richard
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May 11, 2008 11:05 AM
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False. The Michigan court only said that benefits that are labeled "domestic partner" benefits are illegal. All the Michigan media is now reporting that gay partners will NOT lose benefits. The benefits will just be called by a different name.
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by John K
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May 10, 2008 9:48 PM
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I'm glad SOMEBODY finally brought up the Michigan Supreme Court ruling in the context of the Florida initiative. Seniors, don't fall for it. This amendment is evil.
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