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KISSIMMEE — Delving deeper into Florida's Democratic delegate debacle than he ever has to date, Sen. Barack Obama said Wednesday that "a very reasonable solution" would be to count Florida's disputed primary votes and cut the state's delegation to the convention in half.
Still, in an interview with the St. Petersburg Times, Obama brushed off Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's emphasis on counting Florida's primary as a meaningful indication of the popular vote. She in turn called that stance an insult to 1.75-million Democrats who voted on Jan. 29.
"In all these races if I didn't campaign at all and this had just been a referendum on name recognition, Sen. Clinton would be the nominee,'' Obama told the Times during his first campaign trip to Florida in eight months. "It's pretty hard to make an argument that somehow you winning what is essentially a name recognition contest in Florida was a good measure of electoral strength there."
Obama is trying to move beyond the primary dispute and make up for lost time in America's biggest battleground state, but Clinton isn't making it easy.
On a day when both returned to Florida to campaign, she was in the heart of 2000 recount country calling for Florida's votes to be counted. And in her own phone interview with the St. Petersburg Times, she chastised Obama for discounting the significance of the Jan. 29 election.
"I think that is disingenuous but it's also insulting to the 1.7-million Floridians who actually turned out to vote,'' she said, recounting a South Florida canasta club that fervently followed the primary and noting that Obama ads ran on cable TV in Florida.
"They listened to the candidates and they researched the issues. We do live in a rather intense global media environment and as the ladies in the canasta club did, they took this decision very seriously."
Florida leaders set a January primary to enhance the state's influence on the nominating contest, and the national party stripped away all its delegates as punishment for violating the official party schedule. On top of that, all the Democratic candidates signed a pledge not to do any campaigning in Florida except for private fundraisers.
Obama, who has declined to speak to any Florida reporter since August, made no apologies for that pledge. He said he had no choice politically.
"Had we not agreed to that, we would be in a position where on the one hand, the DNC was telling you, 'This won't count.' On the other hand, you've gone out of your way to offend the first two states where you know that it will count,'' he said, referring to the pivotal contests in Iowa and New Hampshire. "I would hardly call that voluntary."
The Illinois senator, just shy of securing the nomination, stressed that he intends to win Florida and doubted the controversy over Florida's primary would cause any serious damage to his prospects.
"I don't think that the average Floridian is spending all their time thinking about this," he said, as his campaign bus cruised from Tampa to Kissimmee.
"I think what they're thinking about is $4-per-gallon gas. I think what they're thinking about is 'my health care premiums have gone up 25 percent and my deductibles havegone up and I'm trying to hang on to the health care that I've got.' ''
Clinton, though, insisted that counting votes is a fundamental principle for Americans, especially Democrats and especially in Florida.
She stood by her position that all the votes from Jan. 29 should be counted. That could net her another 38 delegates, which still would not be enough to catch up to Obama's elected delegate majority.
A DNC rules committee is scheduled to take up the matter again May 31, and many observers expect they'll most likely divide Florida's delegation in half based on Jan. 29.
Why should Florida and Michigan avoid any penalty for violating rules that 48 other states abided by? Clinton noted that Republicans controlled the Florida Legislature but said perhaps the Florida Democratic Party might face a sanction of some kind, rather than rank-and-file voters.
"If there were to be some penalty, it should be aimed at the state party,'' she said. "I'm sure there could be a creative approach to this. I'm not making the decision, but I still believe that the voters should not be penalized."
Obama repeatedly stressed that as the likely nominee, he will make sure Florida has a voice in the actual nominating process.
But taking her count-all-the-votes message to Florida just as Obama was kicking off a three-day campaign swing in the state made it harder for him to make up for lost time.
"What is it the State Department says? It's not helpful,'' said Rep. Robert Wexler, a top Obama supporter in Palm Beach County.
Obama was eager to talk about other key Florida issues:
• He promised to stand firmly behind a moratorium against drilling off Florida's coast. "Compromising a national treasure that is the Florida coastline for a short-term fix to a long-term problem, I think, would be a mistake."
• He said that as president he would ensure the federal government follows through on its commitment to evenly split the cost of Everglades restoration.
• He emphasized his support for a national catastrophe fund to alleviate Florida's property insurance crisis, though he was vague about how that measure might ultimately get passed.
"It's important to figure out how to structure something that helps homeowners here in Florida but also preserves incentives not to develop right in the path of potential disasters," Obama said, sounding much like Republican John McCain, who opposed current national disaster fund proposals.
Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8241.
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Comments on this article
by Andrew
May 22, 2008 5:11 PM
What is Obama so afraid of? He rejected a re-vote. If he fought to have the votes count he'd still be the nominee. He is too timid to be our president.
by dorothy
May 22, 2008 5:09 PM
why don, you people stop blaming obama he did not create this problem for your state jesus said judge not and you will not be judge pray for obama you need to talk to the one cause this then do something about it get up and fight or just accept it
by sensiblethoughts
May 22, 2008 3:38 PM
It's not Obama's fault. He's trying to make the best of a bad situation. Again Hillary is being deceitful trying to get her agenda accomplished. It won't matter. She's losing people daily by showing her true colors! You're becoming unelectible!
by sensiblethoughts
May 22, 2008 3:00 PM
You people are complaining about half? What about all those who DIDN'T GET TO VOTE? YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR VOTES DO YOU? YOU just care about your selfish self! You KNOW it was not fair the way it came off, so quit complaining. Hillary is LYING!
by Sue
May 22, 2008 3:00 PM
What about Iowa, South Carolina and N.H.? Their votes counted. They moved up their primaries just like Michigan and Florida. They were not penalized. They didn't half their votes.
If Obama was needing FL and MI, there wouldn't be a question.
by sensiblethoughts
May 22, 2008 2:58 PM
I think it's a shame the way Clinton is acting. She's showing she has no scruples or sincerity with her word. Her judgement is skewed too if she thinks this was a fair election when one person's people DIDN'T GET TO VOTE AT ALL. SHAME ON HER FOR THIS
by Juan
May 22, 2008 2:43 PM
Mr. Obama, a real democrat, must be sure to select "real" democrats to carry out any new intiatives in Pinellas county and in Florida.
Mrs. Clinton is pushing her agenda to the point of "madness".
by joe
May 22, 2008 2:35 PM
hilary thinks every one is stupid she is trying to bully herself in the white house.she need to stop her none sense.why should the rules change to suit her purpose.
by Amy
May 22, 2008 2:06 PM
This issue has changed my Clinton opinion from "she's fine" into complete disgust. Her attempt to paint what was essentially a straw poll (known to be nonbinding and with no campaigning) as a civil rights issue for her own benefit is appalling.
by liz
May 22, 2008 2:06 PM
I did not get a chance to vote "fairly" as the candidate I was interested in was not even on the ballot! We were told our votes in MI would not count-otherwise I would have been there! What about MY vote? Rule changer Clinton! Incredible!
by Carrie
May 22, 2008 1:48 PM
Hillary did say once that the votes of Florida and Michigan shouldn't count. But now that she thinks she might win if she gets all the votes, suddenly she's crowing about the voters' feelings there. I've done my homework..I'm voting for Sen. Obama.
by denny
May 22, 2008 1:42 PM
"Halve It"? How generous from a candidate that dumped his life long minister and mentor because the going got a bit rough. Obama was soundly beaten in Florida and he now offers to take half. We do not know much about this new young, unproven upstart.
by Stacey
May 22, 2008 1:40 PM
I find it funny that FL was made aware of the repercussions of holding their primary early & now people are implying that Obama doesn't care about their votes because he's upholding the rules that he, Clinton & the DNC agreed upon in the 1st place.
by Jake
May 22, 2008 1:39 PM
Count the votes all you want, they don't make a difference in selecting the nominee, unless you believe the superdelegates care about the number of votes. There isn't much indication they do.
Halving the delegates seems fair.
by John
May 22, 2008 1:39 PM
This was obviously a name recognition contest...look at California; Obama lost on February 5th but is way up in the polls now...he needed time to introduce himself. CLINTON is a brand, like Coke, only its poisonous if ingested.
by Chris
May 22, 2008 1:38 PM
Don't be angry at Obama on the DNC. The governor and state legislator got FL into this mess by breaking very clear guidelines. The votes and delegates should not count. The state should accept responsibility for messing up and move on.
by kay
May 22, 2008 1:36 PM
i m from miami and i didn't bother voting for obama because i was led to believe that it wouldn't count... hilary said so herself... now she has changed her mind because it suits her purpose.
by chris
May 22, 2008 1:35 PM
what about the ppl who didn't bother voting because they were told it wouldn't count? wouldn't they feel disenfranchised if the rules were changed to suit hilary's arguement?
by alison
May 22, 2008 1:34 PM
Traci -you obviously do not live in Florida and I do
So some facts
(a) Dem State Senator DEMOCRATIC Jeremy Ring from Broward County introduced the bill to move the primary to Jan 29th
see next post
by Joe
May 22, 2008 1:33 PM
We all saw his commercials, we heard him speak in the debates. We aren't his demographic so how can he say split it in half! I hope he doesn't show up down here in the general election. I'll let him know where my unimportant vote is going!!
by alison
May 22, 2008 1:33 PM
(b) Fl Sem Senator Bil Nelson SUED the DNC to move the dates and lost yet Fl still moved the date
(c)Only in FL and MICH the only two primary states that more Republicans voted than democrats
Clearly we knew this would not count
see next post
by alison
May 22, 2008 1:33 PM
(d) there was a property tax amendment on the Jan 29th ballot which is why 1.9 rep and 1.7 dem voted
- but a total of 4.2 million voted MEANING over 500,000 Fl voters did not even check off a presidential preference
see next post
by alison
May 22, 2008 1:32 PM
e)Sen Obama' cable ad buy ran thru Feb 5th-the Fl Primary was Jan 29th-does anyone think they would have wasted the money to advertise someplace AFTER the vote was done?
PLEASE PEOPLE - don't vote for Obama is you don't want-But at least know facts
by Elwyn
May 22, 2008 1:31 PM
If I knew my vote was going to matter, I would have gone out and done so. It's ridiculous that the party is going back on its word.
by Maya
May 22, 2008 1:25 PM
Many voters did not go to the polls in the Democratic primary because they were told the votes would not count. Floridians are Does anyone care about them? All Floridians were not counted. Want to try this again, fairly?
by Traci
May 22, 2008 11:21 AM
Of course he wants to "halve" it. How hilarious. He was on the ballot, he outspent Hillary Clinton in advertising in Florida, yet half of those who voted for her lose? If I lived in Florida, I would be outraged.
by Angie
May 22, 2008 11:16 AM
I cannot believe that Obama would want to simply "forget" the 1.7 million people that voted. This is pure arrogance. He thinks they will forget that he doesn't care? How can this be a democracy while leaving out 2 states and forgetting them?
by Frantz
May 22, 2008 10:44 AM
It would be undemocratic, unamerican to disenfranchise millions of floridians who went ou to vote as good citizens. Let the FL politicians deal with tha mess for which the people are not responsible. Every vote should count reardless of what BO says!
by SB
May 22, 2008 10:43 AM
I like Obama generally, but he thinks the FL Dem primary was a "name recognition contest"? Does he think we're stupid and don't pay attention to the national campaign? Please. He also seems to have no idea of the depth of anger over this.
by Daniel
May 22, 2008 10:43 AM
If the roles were reversed DNC would not be entertaining this issue
by GLORIA
May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
As usual, Hillary wants it her way or no way. She does not care about the voters, it's about HILLARY
by geezersgal
May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
Back when she assumed she would be the nominee she declared Mi and Fl would NOT count. She doesn't care about our votes except if they help her. Does she think I'm not smart enough to research her previous position on this? Well I am Senator.
by Phyllis
May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
Only in Florida...the laughing stock of the Nation.
by hj
May 22, 2008 9:21 AM
""I don't think that the average Floridian is spending all their time thinking about this," he said, as his campaign bus cruised from Tampa to Kissimmee."
No not all of it, but a lot of it. Obama Just Doesn't Get It.
by Shawna
May 22, 2008 9:20 AM
I find it rediculous at even the thought of not counting the votes. A persons vote is very important to them its their chance to speak for what they believe or whom they believe. Its the parties fault not the citizens. To not count them is unethical.
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