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ST. PETERSBURG — Five weeks ago, the St. Petersburg Times convened a group of Tampa Bay voters who were undecided about the presidential election. Their strong distrust of Barack Obama suggested it was a group ripe for John McCain to win over.
Not anymore. The group has swung dramatically, if unenthusiastically, toward Democrat Obama. Most of them this week cited the same reason: Sarah Palin.
"The one thing that frightens me more than anything else are the ideologues. We've seen too many," said 80-year-old Air Force veteran Donn Spegal, a lifelong Republican from St. Petersburg, who sees McCain's new running mate as the kind of "wedge issue" social conservative that has made him disenchanted with his party.
"I'm truly offended by Palin,'' said Republican Philinia Lehr, 37, of Largo, a full-time mother with a nursing degree who voted for George Bush in 2004. Like Palin, she has five children and she doesn't buy that the Alaska governor can adequately balance her family and the vice presidency.
"You're somebody's mom and what are you going to do, say, 'Excuse me, country, hold on?' … She's preaching that she's this mom of the year and taking that poor little baby all over everywhere. And, you know, what she's doing to her 17-year-old daughter is just appalling.'' Lehr said she's bothered by the way Palin's pregnant daughter has been brought into the national spotlight.
Of the 11 undecided voters participating in the discussion one recent evening at the Times — four Republicans, five Democrats, and two registered to no party — only two Republican men applauded the selection of Palin.
Nobody had finalized a choice, but seven of the panelists said that McCain's running mate selection had made them more likely to vote for Obama, and in several cases much more likely.
"And that ticks me off because I do not want Obama,'' said Democrat Annette Kocsis, 68, a former Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter from Clearwater, scoffing at "the pit bull in lipstick," as Palin has called herself.
Palin, who makes her first Florida campaign stop Sunday in a Republican stronghold in north-central Florida, has generated enthusiasm among conservatives. But at least with this randomly selected group of swing voters, she appears to be an obstacle to McCain's winning over disillusioned Democrats or moderates.
"That was almost insulting," Democrat Rhonda Laris of Temple Terrace, another strong Clinton backer skeptical of Obama, said of the Palin pick. "Do they think we're really stupid? … I'm definitely leaning toward the Democratic side now. Sarah Palin scares ... me."
Obama is not making inroads because of anything he has done or said. It's more that McCain has repelled these swing voters in the biggest battleground region of the biggest battleground state. In several cases, voters who had sounded hungry for a reason to vote for McCain now sound resigned to settling for Obama.
"It's McCain's beliefs," said Annette Maakestad, 57, of St. Petersburg, explaining why she's shifting toward Obama. "I don't think he's changed or he's going to change his party that much."
But they're still not sold on the Illinois senator.
"I really wanted someone youthful and someone who could relate more to the future generations," said Republican Jim Soltis, 70, of Holiday, who is weighing his desire for expanded health insurance access with maintaining Bush's tax cuts. "So I keep watching and watching and hoping for Obama to say the right things, and he's not saying them."
Most members of the panel participated in a similar meeting in August, though three new voters joined the group this week. The conventions did nothing for them — bored them, in many cases — and they're looking for the debates starting Friday to finally help them make up their minds.
"I'm not crazy about Obama, and I'm really not crazy about McCain," said Democrat Carlos Gonzalez, a 70-year-old higher education administrator from Oldsmar, who preferred Clinton. "I really have not heard anybody saying what they're going to do with this mess we have."
Rebecca Montilla, a 22-year-old premed student at the University of South Florida, began questioning her Democratic allegiances when it struck her in the primary that Democrats were sounding reckless about yanking troops out of Iraq. Obama's inexperience worries her, but she comes from a lower-middle-class family in Orlando that is increasingly struggling to keep food on the table. McCain offers no reassurance.
"I go back and forth, like, every day,'' she said. "It just seems like a lot of bickering, and it's really difficult for me to see what McCain's going to do and what Obama's going to do."
Said Lehr: "I wish we could put them both back in the hat, shake it up, and start over and pick two new candidates."
Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8241.
What they're saying about Palin
"The one thing that frightens me more than anything else are the ideologues. We've seen too many."
Donn Spegal, 80, St. Petersburg, Republican Air Force veteran
"I'm truly offended by Palin. You're somebody's mom and what are you going to do, say, 'Excuse me, country, hold on?' "
"That was almost insulting. Do they think we're really stupid? ... I'm definitely leaning toward the Democratic side now. Sarah Palin scares ... me." "
Rhonda Laris, Temple Terrace, Democrat
"She is Dick Cheney with a dress on."
Bill Chever, 56, St. Petersburg, Independent Air Force veteran
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The Undecideds
The Times is following a group of undecided voters as Election Day 2008 approaches. Look for future accounts of their decisionmaking:
• Democrat Annette Kocsis, 68, of Clearwater, retired secretary.
• Democrat Rhonda Laris, 53, of Temple Terrace, loan officer.
• Republican Jim Soltis, 70, of Holiday, former professor.
• Republican Philinia Lehr, 37, of Largo, homemaker.
• Republican Mark Sayre, 49, of St. Petersburg.
• Democrat Annette Maakestad, 57, of St. Petersburg.
• Republican Donn Spegal, 80, of Tierra Verde, retired military officer-teacher.
• Independent Tom Gerhart, 66, of Riverview, retired consultant.
• Independent Bill Chever, 56, of St. Petersburg, retired Air Force.
• Democrat Carlos Gonzalez, 70, of Oldsmar, retired from career in higher education.
• Democrat Rebecca Montilla, 22, of Tampa, premed student at USF.
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Comments on this article
by ron
Sep 24, 2008 9:11 AM
i believe the voters who have made some of the comments are not thinking of the whole picture about the candidates. it seems that they are only thinking of the gun issue and not the complete package. one cannot give away money for everyone .
by alfred
Sep 24, 2008 9:11 AM
nobama o8..are you ashamed of your name..and whats wrong with Obama's tax plan..oh thats right mccain said the average income is $250k..that means we all will be paying more tax..must be nice to own 7 homes and 13 cars..
by THINKABOUTIT
Sep 24, 2008 9:11 AM
Let's reflect on the last 8 years, it's apparent you don't need experience or brains to be in the Oval Office. I will take brains over experience anyday. GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sam
Sep 23, 2008 8:48 PM
So James, if you don't like Obama's empty rhetoric, you are racist? Can't you do better than that?
by nita
Sep 23, 2008 8:45 PM
Domocrats surely do scare easily. Obama with no experience they are comfortable with, but a woman governor with executive experience offends and frightens them? Think you guys are stuid? No just sheep.'Fess up. You're afraid you'll lose.
by Todd
Sep 23, 2008 8:03 PM
I wonder how many of the 11 imbeciles were among the 60,000 that attended the Sarah rally at the Villages this weekend? Looks like McCain has Fla wrapped up.
by Mikey
Sep 23, 2008 6:14 PM
James, I love you using that old liberal line of "we are smart, you are not". Facts do show different. Do you have any more arguements?
by James
Sep 23, 2008 5:40 PM
To all of you who think Palin is great, and Obama is bad, education is not your strong point, but perhaps racism is. If you can't see through Palin & you don't understand the effect her & McCain will have, you don't deserve the freedom you enjoy!
by NOBAMA '08
Sep 23, 2008 5:37 PM
Obama's tax plan: Raise taxes for those with income over $250k= Small business owners laying off employees= increased unemployment= less food on YOUR table. Common sense= NOBAMA '08
by Timothy
Sep 23, 2008 5:32 PM
DR: Your name says it all
by Graham
Sep 23, 2008 5:25 PM
St Pete Times: "All the news that's fit to slant."
by Mike
Sep 23, 2008 5:23 PM
I have heard this sentiment quite a few times since the Palin interview on ABC. The honeymoon wore off pretty quickly once independents realized she didn't have much of a clue about US foreign affairs. 5 kids or not, Sarah's clueless.
by Joan
Sep 23, 2008 5:23 PM
they say whites won't vote for Obama because he is black. Why is it 92% blacks are voting for Obama. I won't vote for Obama because his ties with Saudi Arabia(education financed) frighten me. I say safe better then sorry!Too much stifled on O. McCain
by Kathy
Sep 23, 2008 5:22 PM
The only good thing I can see about Palin is that if she gets in, SNL's Tina Faye will have plenty of work. Palin is the perfect running mate for McCain. He's Pale 'n' Old. She's Pale 'n' just Nuts. McCain proud of his judgment--another laugh!
by Joan
Sep 23, 2008 5:19 PM
to those of you who are leaning to Obama, let me say that I am a Hillary supporter. I cannot support Obama. Hillary won the primary, O was in on the bottom floor on the real "cheating" to win. Hillary knows it. Ayres and Wright only tip of iceberg!!
by DR
Sep 23, 2008 1:28 PM
I don't care who wins the election, we need to get the American Terrorist out of here. Bush and Dick should be prosecuted for war crimes. The only economy that grew was the oil economy. We're in a lose-lose situation anyways, but better than Bush.
by Ronald
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
Why close race? Sunday, 60 Minutes, simply question "Why do you want to be President" Steve Kroft had to repeat the question three times because Obama had to finish his speech first. That is all he is "A Good Speech" Hillary will tell you that too
by Ah-Ha!
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
And an itty-bitty focus group of only 11 people is worthy of this article? Gather a group of 311, then publish results. this was a waste of space
by David
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
I find it disheartening and backward that in this day and age we don;t applaud a woman's choice on how she balances family and work. My wife works and is a fantastic mother. I amashamed of my republican brethren on their attitude.
by Ed
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
Maybe we should worry about Biden. The guy could not even write his own term paper. How is he suppose to run this country.
by LIsa
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
The more we learn about Palin.... well, If you've ever wondered what would happen if Dick Cheney and Tonya Harding had a baby.. this would be it! Please people, do some independant research. What an insult to the truly qualified Repub women!
by Ruby
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
Sorry, I don't believe your story. Sarah bashing is at an all-time high. It will have the opposite effect as most people don't trust the media anyway. I predict McCain will carry Florida handily.
by Mom of 3 EMPLOYED!
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM
Raising taxes on people who make over 250K would hurt our economy more if I get my taxes raised to make up, I will cut the lawn, pool and house cleaner. Then they will be out of business. So go shop at Walmart and support china, while I support USA!
by jen
Sep 23, 2008 12:15 PM
ST.PETE TIMES JUST LOST ME AS A READER. CAN YOU NOT PUBLISH UNBIASED NEWS? QUIT BASHING THE REPUBLICANS AND TRY TO REPORT FAIRLY
by alfred
Sep 23, 2008 11:56 AM
hey slack, why don't you just say.. you wont vote for him..because hes black..and by the way..his mother is white.. the only reason a woman would vote for palin..is because shes just like them..
by rick
Sep 23, 2008 11:56 AM
I was a long time Mccain supporter until he chose Palin .This woman is an inveterate liar .She lied about the bridge to nowhere, lied about earmarks that she herself requested.My question to the republicans is : how stupid do you think we are?Obama08
by Agape
Sep 23, 2008 11:56 AM
Palin is real and represents real families with real issues. I am in the corporate world have juggled both. My children are well adjusted adults and did not suffer. Give her a chance. She will make the Republicans proud. Vote McCain! Trust Obama-NOT
by Ryan
Sep 23, 2008 11:56 AM
I won't vote for Palin because she's a plagarist, racist and insensitive. No wait that's Biden.I need another reason to not vote Palin because all I do is hate republicans..let's see...oh yeah! She's a mom and might have to say, "excuse me country.."
by Ryan
Sep 23, 2008 11:30 AM
I won't vote for Palin because she's a plagarist, racist and insensitive. No wait that's Biden.I need another reason to not vote Palin because all I do is hate republicans..let's see...oh yeah! She's a mom and might have to say, "excuse me country.."
by S Kendall
Sep 23, 2008 11:30 AM
Answer to Ms. Lehr. What you are going to do with 5 children is the same thing that any man would do with 5 children. Only difference is women manage multi-tasking better than men. You a mother and nurse? What are you thinking?
by Honor
Sep 23, 2008 11:30 AM
Get rid of this article and the article about the poor kid in the closet. Move on Times. Why is black or white or yellow racism even discussed? Can't we express an opinion and vote a certain way without fingers pointing? Mind your own business.
by Lorie
Sep 23, 2008 11:29 AM
Lisa, stupid is as stupid Obama robots do
by Jayne
Sep 23, 2008 11:29 AM
Lisa: Mean, personal name calling, no substance = Democrat
by Mike
Sep 23, 2008 11:29 AM
Another great article from the Slant Pete Lies.
by scott
Sep 23, 2008 11:29 AM
One Democrat pondering McCain's choice for VP stated, "do they think we are stupid?". If you vote for Obama the answer is very clear! The man in the "empty suit" will take this country in the wrong direction!
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