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TALLAHASSEE — The fate of the most emotionally charged issue on Florida's November ballot could hinge on a question of economics.
Would constitutionally banning gay marriage threaten benefits for thousands of Floridians — gay, straight or even siblings living together — who depend on their domestic partnership to pay for health care?
Amendment 2 supporters say no way. Amendment 2 opponents say absolutely.
Passage of similarly worded gay marriage bans in other states have thrust domestic partner benefits into courtrooms. So far, one state's supreme court has ruled that the ban prevented public employers from granting domestic partner benefits, although affected employers created new legal avenues so that no employee lost benefits.
Florida already bans gay marriage by state law. But supporters say they need the constitutional ban to prevent legislators from changing the law or judges from overturning the law, as happened in California this year.
Twenty-six states bar same-sex marriage in their state constitutions. Florida voters join those in California and Arizona considering a ban on Nov. 4.
In Florida, the measure needs 60 percent approval to pass, a threshold recent polls suggest is possible.
Florida's Amendment 2 defines marriage as "the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife."
But it's the second clause of Amendment 2 that could cause problems: "no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent shall be valid or recognized."
Similar wording prompted Arizona voters in 2006 to reject a constitutional gay marriage ban — the first and only such failure nationwide — because of fears it would block domestic partner benefits.
A Nov. 4 measure in Arizona dropped the part that might prevent local governments from recognizing "legal status for unmarried persons."
Michigan passed a 2004 ban that resembles Florida's wording. In May, Michigan's Supreme Court became the first and only nationwide to decide that the ban prevents local governments, schools and universities from offering partner benefits, if the benefits calls attention to same-sex relationships.
Michigan school districts and universities found creative ways around the ruling, however, by loosening up the definition of domestic partner.
"Nobody has lost health care benefits, that I'm aware of," said Jay Kaplan, an attorney with the Michigan American Civil Liberties Union.
At least 75 public and private employers in Florida, including the Times, offer domestic partner benefits, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a nonprofit organization that lobbies governments on gay-rights issues. Those employers include nine of the state's 28 community colleges, as well as the University of Florida, Florida International University and the private University of Miami.
Private employers' benefit plans wouldn't be affected by a ban, predicted the campaign attorney Lara Schwartz. But for public employers, it's unclear.
State economists, who are required to assess the financial implications of ballot measures, said the measure could have an impact on local government domestic partner benefits. But they didn't know what the financial repercussions would be.
Most Florida insurers and public employers — including Humana, United Health Care and the University of Florida — said they're unsure of Amendment 2's affect or believe a court will ultimately decide.
But the head of the state's largest health insurer, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida, was pretty blunt in her assessment.
"It's going to have a major impact on our ability to provide benefits for domestic partners, and we're opposed to anything that gets in the way of providing benefits," said Randy Kammer, an attorney and vice president for regulatory affairs and public policy.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield offers domestic partner benefits to its own employees, and administers many public employee health plans. Kammer said the insurer opposes the amendment, although it's not spending money to actively fight it.
The head of Florida4Marriage, the group that sponsored the ballot measure, disagrees with the insurer.
John Stemberger said the ballot's language was crafted to avoid affecting domestic partner benefits. He said domestic partnerships are not the "substantial equivalent" of marriage, so they'd be unimpeded.
"It's completely wrong," Stemberger said about the claim that domestic partner benefits would be threatened.
But Florida Red and Blue, the group opposing the ballot initiative, said it believes that domestic partner benefits are at stake.
"Is a domestic partnership treated as marriage? Who knows?" said Derek Newton, the group's campaign manager. "The certainty here is, it's going to be a legal nightmare, and it's going to be up to a judge to determine whether or not people are going to lose benefits as a result of this amendment."
Newton said he's sure that somebody will attack domestic partner benefits, because that has happened in other states after constitutional amendments passed.
The Florida Family Association started laying the groundwork earlier this year to challenge same-sex partner benefits offered to Tampa city employees, asking for public records about the policy's legality and cost.
"It would be unfortunate if this amendment did away with domestic partnership benefits at a time when we should be expanding them in every city, county and university across the country," Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio said.
Times Staff Writer Janet Zink contributed to this report.
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The ballot language
Amendment 2: Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.
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Comments on this article
by Nick Kouris
Oct 13, 2008 12:50 PM
"STOLD" YOUR VOTE YES SIGN Mr. Right Winger? Just proves my theory that anyone with less than a high school education shouldn't be voting to take away other people's rights.
by Jessica
Oct 9, 2008 3:18 PM
The ban certainly goes beyond same-sex relationships. Different-sex couples, young, old, and middle aged will also feel the heat. Florida is trying to make the only legitimate relationships married different-sex ones.
by Steve
Oct 7, 2008 11:28 AM
Ammend2 is nothing but a Repugican get out the vote effort. The Rep party is the major funder of Ammend2. They haven't been happy with trashing the whole country for 8 yrs now they want to invade Floridians' private relationships.Vote No.
by Steve
Oct 7, 2008 11:28 AM
And, if you aren't 100% sure of the rammifications of any ammendment will will be on the Constitution, then you have a duty to vote NO on it no matter what ammendment it is.
by Tom
Oct 6, 2008 1:59 PM
This tells all unmarried couples that their relationships are invalid. The legal problems created by this language will go on for years. It's simply bad legislation and we shouldn't put up with it.
by Anne
Oct 6, 2008 1:54 PM
This is another illustration of the fact that it is far too easy to amend our state constitution. How can anyone condone an amendment that advances discrimination?
by TC
Oct 6, 2008 1:52 PM
Marriage is an obscure notion anyway! "together forever!" haha. that is thought up by people who lived to be 30! Why do these religious fanatics even care it does not effect them at all.
by Kathy
Oct 6, 2008 1:52 PM
so kindly stay out of our private business. Keep your would be 'laws' out of our bedroom. I have partner insurance for him and he pays other household expenses. We have a good live, one we both have earned. We are a happy male/female couple. so..
by Kathy
Oct 6, 2008 1:52 PM
My partner and I own homes, he owns a business, we pay taxes, we support charities, we attend church, we are not criminals. We are together 10 yrs. We are americans, not illegals, so kindly
by neil
Oct 6, 2008 10:53 AM
the radical right cares NOTHING about anyone but those who believe their fairy tale about god and religion. It is all a scam and they are suckers and idiots to be duped into believing in any religion. ALL religion is a fairy tale and a scam.
by Perry
Oct 6, 2008 10:53 AM
Mike, you should not call people names and judge them, just because you disagree with their opinion. After all your kind tells us to value diversity in all its stripes and colors and not be judgemental.
by Ray
Oct 6, 2008 10:53 AM
Just like the Republicans who would love nothing more to get more people uninsured.
by Bud
Oct 6, 2008 10:53 AM
With corporations, counties, and cities all across the state are "poor mouthing" about lack of funds and why any of the entites would take on the cost of "domestic partners."
by Lee
Oct 6, 2008 10:52 AM
Piobair,you need to learn your history.Segregation was legitimized by the Plessy vs. Ferguson,a Supreme Court case in which a man who was about 8% black was not allowed to ride in the "white" section of a train.I will opposed due to part 2.
by Zeke
Oct 6, 2008 10:45 AM
My partner & I have been in a loving and caring relationship for 29 years. Why should a minority of religious fanatics be able to dictate we should never receive the same equal benefits & rights that all other Floridians receive by law. Shameless.
by dude813
Oct 6, 2008 10:45 AM
Vote NO on 2. The radical religious right in Florida need to be stopped. Marriage is a religious institution anyways. If you want to "protect marriage", outlaw divorce. If Floridas churches want, they can start paying taxes on the million$ they make!
by stephen
Oct 6, 2008 10:42 AM
Homophobes and bigots. That works really well. Limit people different from you their rights.
by Jack
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM
Come on conservatives. Let's be consistent. This is governmental intrusion into our private lives. Oppose Amendment Two.
by TTT
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM
In the 60s people objected to interracial marriages using the same arguments they use now for same sex marriage. Same arguments same idiots.
by Joe
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM
the religious right needs to stay out of politics. and this is coming from a republican. who cares if gay people get married? there are much more important issues on the table right now.
by Brad
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM
If you're opposed to gay marriage or civil unions, the solution seems quite apparent: simply don't marry someone of the same gender. The fundies keep trying to ban everything they don't understand. How long before they chip away at other freedoms?
by RAH
Oct 6, 2008 10:40 AM
Your absolutely right the purpose of of Amendment 2 is to allow business to hold back benifitsat every opportunity addressing same sex marriage is just another corporate smokescreen to cheat the middle class.
by WCW
Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM
Another economic impact this may have is on a business looking to expand. If they already offer domestic partner benefits, would they come to a state where it was illegal? This would limit their employment pool. Ammd 2 is bad from many angles.
by James
Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM
I think it's a non issue for most people. We have bigger things to worry about...especially is KingObama the Messiah is put in office.
by Jeremy
Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM
Only through marriage should someone other than a dependent child be able to take advantage of another person's benefits, and we know where a majority of the country rests on the issue of the definition of marriage. Easy solution.
by Mike
Oct 5, 2008 10:54 AM
This isn't a gay/straight issue. This is about government intervention into the personal lives of citizens. This doesn't belong in the state constitution.
by Ellen
Oct 5, 2008 10:53 AM
People in "nonmarried" relationships need to get out and vote. This ammendment takes the right for you to make medical decisions about your loved one out of your hands.
by jimmy
Oct 5, 2008 10:47 AM
Count on a liberal judge somewhere overturning Florida's current law. Junking-up the state's Constitution with amendments is sad, but letting some dopey judge change the will of the citizens is worse.
by Jim
Oct 5, 2008 10:46 AM
This amendment seems that it will discriminate not only against gays but also any other union (man and female). My friend and her husband's union would not be recognized because they are not married but they have been solely together for 20+ years.
by LibbyRal
Oct 5, 2008 10:46 AM
How arrogant of Florida4Marriage to say that he knows more about how this hateful amendment will affect insurance benefits than the insurance company.More evidence that he thinks he knows how everyone should live.Mind your own business!!!
by Edward
Oct 5, 2008 10:45 AM
It's plain bull what supporters of Amendment 2 say. If all they wanted was to prevent gay marriage, they would have stopped at "marriage is between a man and woman". But they didn't; they added much more to make the amendment broader than just that.
by Mike
Oct 5, 2008 10:44 AM
People should be aware that those who vote for this proposition are degenerate and un-American. We have fought so hard against bigotry and hate, that it would be a shame to let this disgusting legislation become law.
by JT
Oct 5, 2008 10:43 AM
Come on there is no need for a bunch of one off situation scare tactics. Let's just go vote up or down on gay marriage and be done with it. then we can all get back to being unified for the common good of society not just one part or another. Unity!
by Homeless
Oct 5, 2008 10:42 AM
Add the line" Domestics partnerships are not presently nor shall be considered a substantial equivalent of marriage and are in no way affected by this amendment."
by Mark
Oct 5, 2008 10:41 AM
There is nothing funny about the religious right's attempt to take away existing benefits from unmarried Floridians.
However, there is humor to be found in hypocrisy - visit www.progressflorida.org/Amendment2Gallery
..and see for yourself
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