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Without Walls Church faces foreclosure of two properties

By Sherri Day, Times staff writer
In print: Thursday, November 6, 2008


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Without Walls  founder Bishop Randy White says he plans to fight the foreclosure proceedings.
Without Walls founder Bishop Randy White says he plans to fight the foreclosure proceedings.

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TAMPA — The future of Without Walls International Church, once one of the fastest-growing congregations in the country, is in jeopardy as the church faces foreclosure of its Tampa property.

The California-based Evangelical Christian Credit Union holds the church's mortgage, and filed foreclosure proceedings against Without Walls Tuesday. Court records show the church defaulted on a loan that was due in August. The credit union is demanding immediate repayment of that loan and the $12-million mortgage on Without Walls' Grady Avenue property.

The Rev. Randy White, Without Walls' pastor, said he is shocked by the move. The pastor said church officials thought they were actively negotiating with the credit union as late as Tuesday afternoon when they received an e-mail from credit union executives.

Church leaders have been in talks with the company for months, twice flying to California to negotiate. He said the church leaders presented the credit union with an agreement from a buyer who intends to purchase a small piece of the church's property for $1.4-million, more than enough to cover repayment of the $1-million loan, a line of credit.

White also said the church had been told the credit union would move the due date on its $12-million mortgage from January to June. As proof of the church's ability to pay, he showed the credit union a signed contract for a $33-million offer to purchase one of the church's assets. Should the sale go through, the proceeds will allow Without Walls to pay off its debt, White said.

The pastor said he erred in showing the credit union the sale contract and suspects the foreclosure proceedings are motivated by greed.

"In my opinion, it's nothing more than greed from a Christian bank who's supposed to be working with Christians," White said. "I don't think Bank of America or SunTrust would ever do what this bank's done. I think it's because they're drowning, they're pulling so many people in with them. They're scrambling."

Credit union spokesman Jac La Tour said the company does not call in loans cavalierly.

"We worked with them for a number of months to reach an agreement," La Tour said. "When that process was unsuccessful, we had to file foreclosure. It wasn't a quick decision."

La Tour denied the accusation that the 44-year-old credit union is trying to foreclose on the church to confiscate the property after learning there was a waiting buyer, saying his company aims to help ministries, not sell real estate.

Word of the possible foreclosure at Without Walls comes as the internationally known megachurch and its celebrity pastors are undergoing one of the ministry's most difficult years.

In the last year, White has divorced, lost a daughter to brain cancer and seen attendance at his church decline sharply.

He said in August that when he and his wife split up, 50 percent of the 22,000-member congregation left in the aftermath, but some have begun to return.

A sagging economy and layoffs have also weighed on church members and their ability to donate, dragging income down by 30 percent, White said.

Without Walls owes $13-million on its Tampa property, and $12.5-million on the church's Lakeland branch, the church's chief financial officer, Norva Carrington, said.

Negotiations between the two parties seem to have stalled when the credit union asked Without Walls to agree to several loan modifications in the fall. The stipulations included provisions that the church would not file for bankruptcy and would agree to relinquish ownership of intellectual property, White said. Church leaders balked at the request.

The credit union has also initiated foreclosure proceedings on the church's Lakeland branch.

Without Walls' board members, who include White's ex-wife and church co-founder Paula White and Carrington, are devastated, the pastor said.

"This is just really shocking," Carrington said through tears. "We're not in a major financial default on our loan. We've (been) 100 percent compliant with that loan for over 7 1/2 years. This is just unbelievable."

Despite the church's apparently gloomy financial situation, White promises a fight. He has directed his lawyers to ask federal regulators for an investigation of the California credit union.

"We didn't throw the first punch, but the fight is just starting," White said. "Because I think right is right, and wrong is wrong."

Times researchers Caryn Baird and John Martin contributed to this report. Sherri Day can be reached at sday@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3405.



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Comments on this article
by Pastor Ed Nov 11, 2008 7:18 PM
I find it ironic that "Without Walls" is fighting to keep walls... he didn't pay for! I also think the picture says it all, a lying minister of Satan with his hand out. He doesn't care for your soul, he is a fake! Read the KJV God's word!
by leo Nov 11, 2008 7:16 PM
reap to the flesh, sow corruption
by Lisa Nov 10, 2008 4:05 PM
Doesn't make sense "never missed a payment" according to White yet the bank is foreclosing. Also of interest, he won't give up intellectual property rights to back the loan-definitely a problem of greed. What about scripture on do not borrow or lend?
by Carol Nov 10, 2008 1:36 PM
"WHOSE REPORT WILL YOU BELIEVE"... that's the problem, my dear - they have NOT been faithful to God - they have been faithful to their own flesh and greed. Do you really think Jesus would live this "prosperity gospel" they live? I think not...
by Faceless One Nov 10, 2008 1:31 PM
Rms11:7 talks about our blindness vs. 11&12 speak of the economy falling! Is28 to the Crown of PRIDE a flower that fades! When all hope seems lost, then will some listen to the Deliverer Rms11:26 Jn10 The good shepherd follows Christ as a brokeling
by Ana Nov 10, 2008 1:09 PM
No one has the right to judge...get your facts then make your opinion...and remember that's all it is. How fast we forget all this church and pastor has done for the families and children of Tampa Bay.
by ShedLight Nov 10, 2008 1:08 PM
Be careful for whatever a man sows that also shall he reap. All of you that call yourself Christians but are quick to judge will be judged the same way by God. Be very careful when you come against an anointed man of God.
by Jack Nov 10, 2008 12:59 PM
Funny how when things start to go bad these so called FAITH preachers are very quick to point there fingers at everyone else but themselves.
by Poor guy Nov 10, 2008 12:38 PM
The only thing I object to is Puala putting on TV a testimonie that it is appropiate to give your life savings of 135,000 to the church with a promise that God will double it. You can preach that in America but not in Africa where millions starve.
by TJ Nov 10, 2008 12:28 PM
Why spend as much on lawyers and court drama as it would cost to just catch up on the mortgage. A bank doesn't WANT property, and they sure don't want to forclose on a church. It's bad business. Cut the fat, pay the arrearages and show integrity!
by Menda Nov 7, 2008 10:19 PM
WHo does he think he is? big cars, big houses, big ego. sorry, do not believe this is a case of good Christians being set up or being dealt a bad hand by the people. These people are out for themselves,and that's it. God does not praise greed
by FlyingDutchman Nov 7, 2008 10:15 PM
Watch them try to file for "Mortgage Exempt" status out of thin air.
by ENough Nov 7, 2008 10:15 PM
If it is a Church Without Walls, why does it need real estate? Doesn't add up. But then these evangelical preachers love the con game. Remember Jim and Tammy? Duh!
by WHOSE REPORT WILL YOU BELIEVE Nov 7, 2008 10:14 PM
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL. REMEMBER GOD WORKS FROM THE END TO THE BEGINING SO, WWIC FAMILY STAY PRAYERFUL AND FAITHFUL TO GOD NOT MAN.
by Just Desserts Nov 7, 2008 8:37 PM
Where's Paula? Is she still raking it in from the sheep? Religion truly is the opiate of the people - They'll accept anything any jerk pastor tells them to do.
by Joy Nov 7, 2008 8:32 PM
Whoa.White had the nerve to say the foreclosure is based on the banks greed? talk about being a hipocrite. These people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, but people that give Christians a bad name. GOD help you poor people & stop dringking the kool-aid, please.
by billy Nov 7, 2008 8:18 PM
We have a loan with their lender and they have been WAY more helpful and easy to work with than Suntrust or Bank of America ever were, but if you don't pay your mortgage this happens!!!
by Joe Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
It sounds like Without Walls has a problem with Christian stewardship. Does Christ really need real estate worth millions of dollars to make his grace felt? He preached a very different ethic about God and mammon.
by Katie Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
"Read the Bible you idiots" Wow Sarah - that's very "Christian" of you! Although I feel for them losing a daughter, like he said himself "what's wrong is wrong". And not paying your bills is "wrong".wonder how much his house is worth......hhmmmmm
by Dan Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
Is this the same pastor that gave up the pulpit so Joe Redner can give his political veiws? Bad decision.
by 'Bout Time! Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
I come from a Pentecostal bkground. The best thing that ever happend to us what the exposure of Bakker and Swaggart. I'm glad that the White's are finally being exposed for the frauds they are. Ck into his personal finances..very sketchy...
by Just Desserts Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
Where's Paula? Is she still raking it in from the sheep? Religion truly is the opiate of the people - They'll accept anything any jerk pastor tells them to do.
by DoYouBelieveInMagic? Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
How come Randy didn't sign the agreement with the bank to stave off foreclosure? Because this is his exit plan. Sell the paid-for house on Bayshore and abscond to another city with lots of fools who'll contribute to his next house of cards.
by ColorMeStupid Nov 7, 2008 6:41 PM
Headline: Former Thieves Return with their Con Man Schemes, disguised as ministers, and the gullible follow them over the cliff like sheep. They're the pastors, we're the sheep, all right: pouring money into Their personal tax-exempt piggy banks.
by robin Nov 7, 2008 6:40 PM
sounds like they could really be without walls soon
by batman Nov 7, 2008 12:58 PM
hearts will heal. followers will learn to lead. it's a plan people. trust it.
by Sarah Nov 7, 2008 11:33 AM
Bishop Randy has donated multiple paychecks to the church, as well as pay many bills with his own credit card. it is part of the congregation's duty to help support the church. read the bible you idiots.
by Bob H Nov 7, 2008 11:32 AM
ROTFLMAO!
by Mark Nov 7, 2008 11:24 AM
Good.Aren't religious people supposed to be humble, giving, caring individuals? Why is it that most live in lavish homes, have numerous excesses and show none of these qualities? Because it is and has been the biggest scam in our entire world history
by JNN Nov 7, 2008 11:24 AM
I am a faithful member at WWIC and this too shall pass. We had midweek service last night and it was amazing. I lok ofrward to attending sunday morning at 10am and maybe you might consider visiting and experiencing the Church and what it has to
by JNN Nov 7, 2008 11:24 AM
offer before passing judgement. This is similar to the story that was circulating that the Church was being sold. We are WWIC and we are changing lives by feeding the hungry clothing the naked and reaching out in the community, we are here to stay!
by Rob Nov 7, 2008 11:11 AM
My heart goes out the whites. No doubt they have made some mistakes but but a divorce and loss of a daughter is enough. It's not a time to cast stones but lest they come back on us.
by Greg Nov 7, 2008 11:09 AM
I wouldn't say Suntrust is any better. We moved and sent a certified letter to close our account and even though it was sent to the address on their website, they said it was no good and charged us over $300 in fees. I'm still fighting with them.
by Me Nov 7, 2008 11:01 AM
You don't need a bldg to worship. You can do it from anywhere. The people from these megachurches are so greedy. Anybody ever see the Idlewood Baptist Camalot? Starving kids in the USA and this is what these "christians" do with money. Sick
by JR Nov 7, 2008 11:00 AM
Randy & Paula White are shysters - nothing more, nothing less! She can buy Bentley's and mansions, but they cannot pay their mortgage. Screw you Randy & Paula, and your con game perpetrated on Christian believers. I hope they take it all!!
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