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Times recommends

No on Amendment 2


In print: Sunday, October 12, 2008


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A Florida state law already bars gay couples from marrying. It makes clear that the only marriages the state will recognize are those between a man and woman, meaning that even if a gay couple marries legally in some other state, it will not be valid here.

But that is not good enough for supporters of Amendment 2. They want to add a ban on same-sex marriage and any other form of domestic partnership into the state Constitution. It would send the wrong signal about the social tolerance of most Floridians, and the pain it would cause would ripple far beyond the headline issue.

The amendment says marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman, and no other union "that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof" is valid. Floridians who are opposed to gay marriage but open to gay couples forming civil unions or domestic partnerships need to know that this sweeping language would ban legal recognition of these arrangements as well. In West Palm Beach, for example, same-sex couples can participate in a domestic partnership registry that grants them rights to hospital visitation, to be a medical surrogate and to make burial decisions for each other. But if Amendment 2 passes, these rights would likely be found unconstitutional.

Amendment 2's prime sponsor is the Orlando-based Florida4Marriage.org, which has been promoting the amendment under the name Yes2Marriage.org. Floridians, particularly those under 35 years old, are becoming more tolerant toward their gay co-workers and neighbors, who are friends and involved community members. This amendment would be a significant step backward.

The amendment also could threaten health and family protections unmarried seniors have created to care for themselves and their loved ones. It is not uncommon for older Floridians who have no interest in remarrying to enter into legal arrangements with loved ones to ensure they can care for each other, share health insurance and make medical and financial decisions for each other. Those arrangements could be jeopardized by Amendment 2 as well.

As the Office of Economic and Demographic Research, which identifies the impact of proposed amendments, wrote: "If domestic partnership registries are deemed substantially equivalent to marriage, their termination could place registrants at risk of losing specified rights and benefits, such as those related to health insurance."

If Amendment 2 is defeated, same-sex marriages still would be illegal in Florida. This amendment is unnecessary, and its unintended consequences are considerable. In an era where social tolerance is growing, it would freeze old attitudes for the foreseeable tomorrows.

On Amendment 2, the Times recommends NO.



[Last modified: Oct 16, 2008 04:36 PM]



Comments on this article
by Bruce Oct 16, 2008 4:36 PM
Thanks for showing good reason and sense.
by Jim Oct 16, 2008 4:18 PM
When you say these rights would likely be found unconstitutional. Do you mean that you do not know what it means, or is it you do not know what you are saying at all.
by Lisa Oct 15, 2008 7:19 PM
Honestly people - is it 2008 or is FL stuck in 1908? Vote NO!! Stop the bigotry and send a message to those bible banging freaks - NO MORE INTOLERANCE in the name of "the Lord."
by JT Oct 14, 2008 6:11 PM
Normally I would not support this because in general I do not like altering the Constitution. However, given the recent ruling in Connecticut along with MA and CA I think it is necessary and States where this has passed have not had problems with it
by RK Oct 14, 2008 4:36 PM
I agree with JT. This is a loop hole that needs filling. If not remove marriage from all the laws and let us live as indviduals only. If the first congress heard this argument we would all be slapped/shot for even considering it.
by JT Oct 14, 2008 6:50 AM
Normally I would not support this because in general I do not like altering the Constitution. However, given the recent ruling in Connecticut along with MA and CA I think it is necessary and States where this has passed have not had problems with it
by Dennis Oct 13, 2008 2:17 PM
I'm not surprised that many in the State of Florida do NOT have the brains God gave them, cannot critically think for themselves, cannot dissect fact from propaganda. All men are created equal - except in Florida. Amazing how hate multiplies.
by Jon Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
Well Yes, charles, of course it is for PERSUASION--ITS IN THE EDITORIAL SECTION. Wow, it hurts the head. I can't wait for Nov 5th either, because I hope you mistakenly vote then when it's too late.
by Fred Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
Thanks for your input. Now that I know the St. Pete Times is against it. I can feel better about supporting it.
by christine Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
If I vote no we will or will not have same sex marriages?
by john Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
right on the mark...i voted no.
by Rob Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
SP Times recommends 'NO'...what a great reason to vote 'YES'!
by Rich Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
Health Care for the righteous and let the heathens rot.
by Lynn Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
The bible firmly states an marriage is a union between a man and a woman ! Also, why should same sex couples get health benfits, but a man and woman living together can not, then that is discrimination as well. If your gay that was your choice !!
by lisa Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
The consequences of this would be significantly detrimental to many wonderful citizens in our state, both straight and gay. Also, it really is unnessesary since the law in existence clearly states no same sex marraige. I agree No on 2!!
by Richard Oct 13, 2008 11:48 AM
The Fla Supreme Court has already ruled that Amend. 2 will NOT affect any current benefits for citizens. It simply takes the CURRENT law and puts it into the state constitution. If you have benefits now (senior or gay) you will still have them.
by Richard Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
This editorial says "MAY" or "COULD" have this or that effect, even though the FL Supreme Court says it won't. Where is the proof of these negative effects? There are plenty of legal means to insure "rights and benefits" that will still be legal.
by Rick Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Yes on 2
by Sam Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Hey Bob..Amendment2 won't just affect the Gay & Lesbian Communities, it will affect any unmarried couple..don't you GET IT?????
by Jeff Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
I'm more concerned with the loss of benefits and partnership rights than homosexual marriage but if they choose to marry, give them the rights so many straight couples, tolerant or sanctimonious zealots alike, abuse & take for granted. NO to hate!
by Shannon Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Charles: Click top left of this page where you see ON AMENDMENTS for all the rest of the Amendments. As for everyone who thinks you should vote yes, I say that "Prejudice is being down on something you're not up on." Don't fear love!
by matt Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Saying gay marriage is illegal in Florida thus we should vote "no" doesn't make too much sense considering the reason why the Florida4Marriage.org is pushing this is because it doesn't want a judge throwing out the law like in other states like Mass.
by doug Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
I say hell "yes" to this amendment and hell "no" to homosexuality
by John Oct 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Say YES to Amendment #2
by Paula Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Charles - if you read the paper regularly, you would know that the paper addresses one amendment at a time. Geez. I, too, cannot WAIT for the Obama presidency to begin and end the backwardness of the last eight years.
by Max Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
If the Liberal St.Pete Times is against this Amendment... It's probably best for Floridians to Vote for it. I will have to vote YES.
by Robert Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Hey, Mr. "Don't let the gays get a foot in the door": How will you react when Florida passes a law forbidding guys named Bob to marry? Wouldn't be such a wiseguy then, would you!
by Bryan Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Bob don't be so ignorant and a bigot. How would this affect you in ANY way? It doesn't. People like you shouldn't live in Florida.
by bob Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
God Created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve... Enough said!
by Kelly Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Vote Yes! Don't support gay marriages! Its gross and against the Bible!
by gib Oct 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Hey Bob! If you would stop hating long enough to read the amendment you would know this affects more than just same sex couples. Your homophobia is making you unreasonable, small minded and tragic.
by Jas Oct 13, 2008 11:45 AM
Vote Yes - this has less to do with tolerance and more to do with condoning behavior which is perverted.
by nelson Oct 13, 2008 11:45 AM
The Ohio amendment had the same hateful language in it. I urge Floridians to vote NO to religion-based bigotry being enshrined in the constitution.
by fozzy Oct 13, 2008 11:45 AM
Anyone voting Yes on Amendment 2 is a bigot. Plain and simple. Hide behind your "religion" but you're still a bigot.
by geezer Oct 12, 2008 1:22 PM
As a senior I've been waiting for the Times to explain the far-reaching consequences of this amendment. It could have done even better but it's a start. It does not just affect gays. Many seniors and others could lose rights also. Vote NO on 2!
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