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It begins with a woman who yearns for a baby and another who is willing and able to give her one. You can imagine the motives of the prospective parents. But what about the woman willing to carry a baby, give birth and then walk away?
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And so we gather to mourn the streak. Nice ride, wasn't it?
On the other hand, were you really ready for all of those "What the Heck, Let's Build the Darn Stadium'' signs that were about to be scattered across the lawns of your neighborhood?
Another series sweep by the Rays, by golly, and the fans would have demanded to vote now. Wouldn't they? Another six straight wins, and they would have thrown in a parking garage. Maybe two. Another 10 in a row, and fans might have rushed to Al Lang with their own saws and hammers, like the great barn-raising scene in the movie Witness.
Then again, perhaps they wouldn't have.
We are still in the early stages of the Great Stadium Debates. No one has raised a voice or called a name or gnashed a tooth. So far, it seems there are some people who oppose the stadium in any circumstance, some who support it at any cost, and a great many of us in the middle who need to hear more before we decide. Nothing wrong with any of that. It is, one supposes, why they put such things on the ballot.
Along the way, however, there also are those who are eager to connect their decision to the baseball standings. Time and again, you hear it. This person will vote for the stadium if the team wins 80 games. That person will vote for it if the team finishes out of the cellar. And so on.
The truth of it, however, is that stadium votes rarely have anything to do with the won-loss record, nor should they. After all, the standings change every day, but a new stadium should stand for a generation. Think of it like this: If new stadiums were built to reward success, wouldn't George Steinbrenner be surrounded by them?
Remember when the voters approved Raymond James Stadium? It was 48 hours after the Bucs had been clobbered 34-3 by the Packers and everyone in town knew the team was on its way to its 14th straight losing season. It was only after the vote that things changed for the Bucs.
Remember the haggle for the hockey arena now known as the St. Pete Times Forum? Funding was approved in 1995, after the team won 70 games in its first three seasons … combined. Again, the success came later.
Around the country, new stadiums come to bad teams fairly often, like the meek inheriting the earth, only in this case, the meek are very, very rich men.
Take the strange case of the Florida Marlins. After the Marlins went 91-71 and won a World Series in 2003, they couldn't get anyone to listen as they talked about a new stadium in Miami. It didn't matter where the team threatened to move. Yet, after last year's 71-91 record, funding was approved.
Consider the woebegone Arizona Cardinals, for instance. Given the history of the franchise, it's hard to believe anyone would vote for a new stadium in Phoenix. But in the middle of a 3-13 season in 2000, the team's 11th losing season in the past 12 years, voters found a reason for one. Yes, they may have been buzzing about Aeneas Williams' 104-yard fumble return 48 hours earlier that highlighted a 16-15 victory over Washington, but it's doubtful. Regardless, it was the Cards' last victory of the season.
Then there are the Pirates, thoroughly hapless even by Rays' standards. In July of '98, as the team was in its sixth straight losing season (the Pirates are now on their way to their 16th), they received a new park.
And so it goes: Safeco Field was approved (one month after voters rejected the idea) even though the Mariners had three winning seasons in 19 years. The Phillies got their new stadium in 2000, the season in which they won 65 games. The Tigers got theirs after winning 113 games in the previous two seasons. The Lions, who are 1-9 in the playoffs during the Super Bowl era, managed to get a new building.
On the other hand, ask the 49ers how difficult it is to get a stadium. Ask the Yankees. Ask the Cowboys.
Let's face it: Approving a new stadium is never a comfortable notion for the taxpayers, who tend to hit owners with whatever is available. In the case of the Rays, it's the record. It's easy for a voter to decide that an owner who wins most of the time doesn't need his help, and an owner who loses too much doesn't deserve it.
When it comes to this owner, and this town, it is fair to wonder if the Rays' recent success has helped the efforts in securing a new stadium. Probably not much.
On the other hand, it didn't hurt. For the Rays, for any team trying to move to a new house, good will is as important as good games. A team wants to be treasured. That does last longer than the standings.
Again, none of this should be taken as an endorsement, or as opposition, to a new stadium. Given the economy, I still haven't decided how I'm going to vote.
I do know this, though: Whether the Rays win 77 games this year or 78 won't matter.
[Last modified: May 02, 2008 01:57 PM]
Comments on this article
by David
May 2, 2008 1:57 PM
You people are rediculous. No wonder FL is the butt of other city's jokes. Downtown stadiums have been great for local economies (see SF and Denver) in addition to land value increases.
by Bart
May 1, 2008 4:59 PM
The anti stadium folks remind me of some old timer telling about the old days and how "In my time we walk 100 miles to school each way". This stadium use money the city already HAS TO PAY and provides $800 million in new tax money...DUH!!
by no Rose-Colored-Glasses
May 1, 2008 1:56 PM
It does not make sense to build an open-aired stadium here...I have been to the Trop with the family on a hot and stormy night and thoroughly enjoyed the game, and the climate inside...too many storms and too muggy here for anything else!
by Ray of Sunshine
May 1, 2008 1:55 PM
Had season tickets since Day One, had Spring Training tickets for 2 years, got a boat next to Al Lang, love the new design. BUT while the heat in March is tolerable it will be unbearable in July. This 5th generation Floridian says keep the AC Trop.
by rayray
May 1, 2008 1:51 PM
It about needed economic transformation development for St. Pete,will inject civic pride & add $ to the city's coffers.It's a win-win for all.
p.s.David,it's not YOUR waterfront, it's OUR's & it would benefit d
by Lifelong resident
May 1, 2008 1:49 PM
Rob:you have OBVIOUSLY not lived in Florida for a very long time.In July and August,it most certainly will still be hot at 7:00,7:30. There have been many, many times in the summer that it stays up in the mid 90's at night. NO NEW STADIUM!!! Vot
by Rue
May 1, 2008 1:49 PM
PPl will eat at the new stadium and NOT at an overpriced fancy downtown restaurant - especially considering that most evening games will not let out until 10 p.m. or AFTER!! This city IS NOT big enough for this idea. We don't need this down
by Joseph
May 1, 2008 1:47 PM
All of you who are saying yes to this are probably Devil Rays owners or associates of some kind OR one of the contractors being considered for building it. Every resident of SP that I've talked to say they DO NOT want this new stadium.
by Ryan
May 1, 2008 1:44 PM
Build it!!!
by Phil
May 1, 2008 1:38 PM
I love baseball as much as anyone. In a state with the financial problems Florida has, is this the best use of public money - especially since, if built, the new stadium would benefit primarliy the team's owner(s)?
by Kay
May 1, 2008 12:35 PM
See that photo of the Arizona Cardinals stadium? Now that's UGLY.
by Paul
May 1, 2008 12:35 PM
I could care less what other cities have or have not built for stadiums. I don't live there. I live in St Pete and I'm not in competition to 'one up' another city. St Pete has its own unique beauty, which should be protected and f
by Paul
May 1, 2008 12:35 PM
Simple enough. The waterfront is not for sale or to be used by a for profit corporation. That was decided and agreed on a very very long time ago. In fact, it was requested that Al Lang be a park, but Council had a 'glitch', so they fail us
by Rob
May 1, 2008 11:57 AM
The arguments over the heat and humidity are ridiculous and trivial. The vast majority of home games are played at 7:00 or 7:30 when the sun and heat will be virtually no factor. Those against the stadium must forget Tampa before the Forum.
by David
May 1, 2008 11:57 AM
This is not about a team needing or derseving a new stadium. This is about an owner who want to buy low and sell high. Fine, it's the American way, but NOT with my waterfront!!!!!!!!! Lease Al Lang to USF, at least their non-profit.
by NR
May 1, 2008 11:54 AM
I think its a good ideal to build... if it came up three years ago and real estate market was still hot, may already be approved... going to have a hard time finding good money from a trop sdale to fund cost in this market. It will happen eventually.
by JB
May 1, 2008 11:52 AM
Great idea Sue! Then, more people will come downtown, requiring more jobs for the restraunts, bars, taxis, museums, etc. I was amazed at how many fans from spring games would go to all the downtown establishments after games. Smart thinking Sue!
by Matt
May 1, 2008 11:49 AM
Sue you realize a massive construction project would create jobs? And the redevelopment would create jobs? The benefit to the area and its citizens is much higher with a new stadium than the status quo.
by CharlieRay
May 1, 2008 10:58 AM
Why build an inferior one with no A/C. I go to a game to enjoy & be comforable and not sweat, walk a mile from parking in Heat, rain, humidity, exposure to heavy winds, love bugs, noseums, Mosquitoes, LIGHTNING & destroy the waterfront &
by Ian
May 1, 2008 9:26 AM
I go to the Trop I have never heard any MLB player complain about it, maybe the lights occasionally. I like it why get rid of it.
by Edward
May 1, 2008 8:57 AM
Heat is not the issue (we all live HERE, right?). The issue is destruction of a wonderful Bay front and extremely limited parking. Yeah, it'd look great on TV. And some businesses in the area might profit. But would you want to liv
by Sue
Apr 30, 2008 9:04 PM
Yea! lets build a new stadium at a time when people are losing jobs, homes, etc., and schools are closing because of not enough money... smart.
by Jon
Apr 30, 2008 9:04 PM
Rays should take a page from Bucs playbook: get someone to back a "community improvement" bill with funding for the stadium as well as other funding that would never get passed but has support amongst those who would otherwise never support
by Bill
Apr 30, 2008 9:04 PM
BUILD IT!
by Jeff
Apr 30, 2008 9:01 PM
I'm still amazed that the Twins are finally building a new stadium after all the years it took to finally pull the trigger. Of course it will be without a retractable dome - but heated. Hey, let's funnel them some of our new stadium&
by poolman
Apr 30, 2008 9:00 PM
dang, gary, couldnt put this to a country song? why, you must not have the same free time as romano.
by d
Apr 30, 2008 9:00 PM
we need a normal design not some wierd sail or anything the ball will hit. We need a retractable roof miller park. Then lets talk.
by Jay
Apr 30, 2008 6:20 PM
Mark,
40k+ bake every other sunday at RayJay. And that's without a breeze from the bay or a roof.
by max
Apr 30, 2008 4:59 PM
Arlington, TX on average is 5 degrees hotter than St. Petersburg in July and August. Atlanta is the same as St. Pete. Man up, Mark.
by Mark
Apr 30, 2008 4:15 PM
"Show me" when it comes to figure out how the patrons are going to be comfortible and cool in this area from June to October with an open air stadium. Maybe the $250 seats will have mist devices? Who in their right mind would bake in the se
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