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This time, counting cost is different for Rays

By Gary Shelton, Times Sports Columnist
In print: Thursday, July 24, 2008


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ST. PETERSBURG — Perhaps the word entered your mind with the first strikeout. Perhaps, because you are a patient soul, it held off until the first popup.

Sometime during the Rays' 4-3 win over the A's on Wednesday, however, you thought about it. Again. And again.

Trade. Please.

And furthermore, soon.

It has become a mantra around here. By now, even the Rays' bat rack is whimpering for help. Every time another opposing left-handed pitcher turns into Sandy Koufax, every time the meat of the order looks like leftovers, you cannot help but think about the possibility of a deal.

Nothing wrong with that. By and large, everyone loves the sound of the cavalry coming to the rescue. Editorially speaking, we all are in favor of reinforcements. Who doesn't love the notion of a team in a pennant race bringing in a mercenary or two to help close the deal?

After all, this is Tampa Bay, where the Rays are 100 games into their first season worth talking about and eight days away from the first trading deadline worth contemplating. You remember, don't you? Historically, the trading deadline has been a day for the franchise to try to cram all of its large contracts into the outbox and hope someone else will pick them up. More than anything, it was a goodbye party with cleats.

This time, it's different. This time, the Rays could use a right-handed bat with some thump. This time, they could use another arm in the bullpen. This time they have first place to protect.

So, yeah, you would like to see them make a deal. For Xavier Nady. For Matt Holliday. For Brian Fuentes. For Brett Favre.

The real question here is not who, however. The real question is, "How much?"

For Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman, that's the tougher decision. In Friedman's time here, he has shown an eye for adding nice pieces at a value price.

This is an important time for Friedman, however. His team is about to enter the most important month of its history, which means that Friedman might be in the most important week any Rays dealmaker has had.

Let's sum up: Friedman has to decide what potential he can afford to lose and which risks he thinks are worth taking. He has to decide how much to give for a half-season rental and how much for perhaps a lesser player with a better contract. He has to figure out the difference between Seizing the Day and Selling the Farm.

So what should Friedman offer up?

David Price? No. And furthermore, no. If a team asks for Price, Friedman's response should be to laugh so hard that he drops the phone. These are negotiations. This is not Price-haggling.

Wade Davis? Jeremy Hellickson? Reid Brignac? Almost certainly not. You can't blame an opponent for wanting those guys, but it had better offer up a better ballplayer than any of the rentals who have been knocked around in the rumors. For those guys, you would need a cornerstone player who would be here for a half-dozen seasons.

Jeff Niemann? Fernando Perez? Mitch Talbot? With the right return, yeah, the Rays should be willing to talk about those guys. True, all three of those players have potential. On the other hand, who is going to give away a great player for nothing? After all, Steve Phillips isn't even with the Mets anymore.

Does it sound like too much to give? Does it sound like not enough?

Remember, the Rays are after a role player here. For instance, everyone talks about the right-handed bat. And it is true, left-handers seem to baffle the Rays like a Spanish test written in Russian. Any day now, you expect a Rays opponent to rush out and sign Lefty Grove, Lefty Gomez and, what the heck, Lefty Driesell. Also, Kenny Rogers, Martina Navratilova and Paul McCartney.

Do the math, however. Roughly speaking, one-fourth of major-league starting pitchers are left-handed. That means of the Rays' remaining 62 games, they should face a lefty about 15 times. That means about 60 at-bats (maybe as many as 75 if you count pinch-hitting and late-inning substitution) for the new guy.

Now, how much is 75 at-bats worth? Granted, the Rays could use some right-handed pop for the playoffs, but that certainly isn't worth a Price or a Davis or a Hellickson.

Face it. No matter who the Rays bring in, what is left of the season depends on whether their core players begin to hit. You want to know why the Rays are struggling against lefties? Because last year, Carl Crawford hit .318, B.J. Upton hit .281 and Carlos Pena hit .271 against left-handers. This year, those numbers are .233, .262 and .204, respectively.

And that's the thing. Even a good right-handed batter isn't going to make up for that much of lost average. There is only so much one guy can do.

In times like these, of course, every bit helps.

Gary Shelton can be reached at (727) 893-8805.



[Last modified: Jul 25, 2008 06:05 PM]



Comments on this article
by Jeff Jul 25, 2008 6:05 PM
Why trade when we have Jonny Gomes? If he plays regularly he does very well. He recently started 4 games and batted .375 with a home runn, 3 walks and 2 stolen bases. What else are you looking for?
by Mike Jul 25, 2008 3:11 PM
IF their bats wake up, IF. It is high time for that to happen and everyone has been saying that for weeks... Bottom line, it hasn't happened. Perhaps the problem lies with Steve Henderson. CC, Pena and Upton are playing FAR below their potential.
by Joe Pool Jul 24, 2008 7:31 PM
Gomes for D.H.!! Given a chance to establish a rhythm, I believe he would be highly feared by the A.L. pitching. And no lost prospects!
by Adam Jul 24, 2008 7:31 PM
Steve Phillips did not make the Kazmir trade.
by David Jul 24, 2008 6:04 PM
Seeking a RH bat isn't reason NOT to sign Bonds; he'll hit LH pitching better than nearly all of our RH bats. I can see not signing him for demeanor, but I still say you don't sacrific anyone to get him and you can cut him if he's too distracting.
by Randy Jul 24, 2008 4:25 PM
are still in first place with out any veterns haveing a career high average , only can get better right
by Randy Jul 24, 2008 4:25 PM
SO here it is,, B.J upton was batting .300 in 07/now it is .272 Carl Crawford was batting .315 in 07/now batting .269 And carlos was batting .289 with 27 Hr at this time/ now .230 14 hmmmm Guess what im trying to say is the Ray...
by md Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM
Bats have been quiet all year, that's what makes their record even more incredible.
by Jason Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM
Well I would like to get Holiday but we might end Nady instead if his price tag is lower
by Bob Jul 24, 2008 3:02 PM
TD: Check Holliday's stats AWAY from Coors Field (.277 lifetime) before you go too overboard about him. Nice work by the Great Sheltoni; I'm actually glad to see the Rays NOT overspending for the good-not-great talent that's available out there.
by bill Jul 24, 2008 2:53 PM
I'd like to see Matt Holliday in a Rays uniform. Jonny Gomes can hit but his fielding is suspect. Send Miller and Hamell to Colorado for him and bring up some young arms to the bullpen from Durham.
by Gene Jul 24, 2008 2:51 PM
TD, please! CC is as critical a player to this club as we have ever had. If he, BJ and Pena improve just a bit, we are fine. Jon, give up, there is no circumstance that makes Bonds a desireable option. If Gomes has options, sned to Durham get Nady
by Roman Jul 24, 2008 2:35 PM
If Hammel or Jackson had options you would be in love with Jeff niemann. He is a reason why we don't make an idiotic trade. But seriously, we need to look at the Rays and ask "is who we are trading for truely better then what we have in the minors?"
by Trevor Miller Jul 24, 2008 2:34 PM
Bonds is a lefty - we are looking for a right handed bat! Wait a minute, can Bonds pitch?
by David Jul 24, 2008 2:24 PM
I'm going to agree with Jon, Bonds doesn't cost anything, he can hit left handed pitching very well and would add some fear to the lineup. If he becomes a cancer in the clubhouse, cut him, but take what you can get from him on this playoff drive.
by mario Jul 24, 2008 11:23 AM
great read
by jon Jul 24, 2008 11:23 AM
barry bonds. Could Dh, walk a lot, put some fear into opposing pitchers and wouldn't cost any prospects.
by Garry Jul 24, 2008 11:23 AM
As a Rays fan living up here in Colorado, If I were Friedman I'd do whatever to takes to get Holliday down to Tampa. Let's worry about this season rather than what might or might not happen down in the farm over the next couple of years.
by Tony Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
The Rays should trade Hammel and Jackson. Both have proven problems on the mound and Jackson even went so far as to say he not comfortable out there. Trade those two for a bat and an arm. Don't need a blue chipper, just someone decent who fits in.
by cedric Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
Stopp stressing (or trying to sell papers). their bats are in a slump and they are still in first. Stop hating!
by DannyD Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
They cant be stupid.Offer a package of guys we dont want.Other teams give up little or guys they don want at the deadline all the time.GET JACKSON OUT OF THE ROTATION!DONT TRADE PRICE
by Dave Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
If you follow blogs from "those in the know" the Rays name has dropped from discussion on "hot rumors" for pretty much everyone who matters other than Nady, and word is Nady's price has come down. Hunsicker and Freidman sure balance each other out.
by Murf Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
I think Gomes bat is coming alive with more playing time. I think his bat will continue to improve with more playing time. I hope we don't lose him. At worse send him to Durham for more at bats. If CC, Pena and BJ start hitting we're going to be OK!
by TD Jul 24, 2008 11:22 AM
The Rays should include Crawford in a trade deal for Matt Holliday from the Rockies. I don't know if the Rockies would do it, but Holliday is clearly a superior player. Maybe we can trade Crawford and Talbot, it would be well worth it for Holliday.
by Brian Jul 24, 2008 11:21 AM
I almost didn't make it through this article, but alas, the last paragraph and sentence made sense. Gomes seemed to do just fine with a little playing time and hopefully other will catch their groove. Oh, and Tampa Bay is in first place.
by jonny gomes Jul 24, 2008 11:20 AM
They're not looking for a role player. they're looking for an everyday RFer. Hinske would be the primary DH. I'm a role player.
by Mike Jul 24, 2008 11:20 AM
Article correct-key is getting the existing Ray's players to start hitting.
by Scot Jul 24, 2008 11:20 AM
I know its the final week in the trade talks with out haveing to clear waivers but with that in mind the most important thing in the week ahead is to keep winning on the road against teams like K C Royals and the Blue Jays we should have a good trip.
by Lori Jul 24, 2008 11:20 AM
I am less concerned about a right handed bat who will hit 75 times than a left handed pitcher for the pen. Trevor Miller is terrible, that should be our primary focus.
by Carl Jul 24, 2008 11:20 AM
The right handed bat sits on the bench just about every day. His name is Jonny Gomes and if his current numbers are extended over a full season, he should have 29 homers and 70 RBIs. No extra cost. No lost prospects. Stand pat! Go Rays!
by Jimmy Jul 24, 2008 11:19 AM
Believe in what we have they will come around. Don't give away our future talent for players that are established, however are traded and don't produce look at all the trades made recently it just dosn't add up. We will survive because we are the RAY
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