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Passionate Rays fans attempt to explain why Trop stays empty

By John Romano, Times Sports Columnist
In print: Friday, August 29, 2008


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ST. PETERSBURG

Finally, some answers. Thanks to an outpouring of e-mail, I now have a better understanding of what it will take to improve attendance at Tampa Bay Rays games.

First, you want a ballpark in your back yard. It must have free admission, although you're willing to pitch in for beer (domestic) and quality peanut products. Also there should be no roof — but you still need air-conditioning.

Seriously, readers have chimed in with all kinds of suggestions, explanations, accusations and insults. Some of the e-mails were insightful, and some were nutty, but almost all were passionate. Passionate about their devotion to the Rays, or passionate about their reasons for not coming to Tropicana Field.

Here is a small sampling:

The attendance numbers with the Rays confirm what most of America thinks of the Tampa Bay area. Tampa Bay is a second-rate town that wants to believe it's one of the "big boys." It's not, and likely never will be. It might very well be the location of the stadium or the fact that the stadium is a pit, but the Kingdome was pretty awful too, and the Mariners filled that place night after night when they finally found their way in 1995.

A little harsh but historically accurate. At this pace, the Rays would have the worst attendance of any postseason team since the Marlins in 2003.

Please, John, don't condescend to our community with your berating of the Rays' lack of attendance. I go to as many games a year as I can, at least half a dozen. My best friend just bought season tickets, but we're all not the pack of morons you presuppose. The ownership never expected that waterfront stadium to pass, it's all a big ruse for them to relocate the team, not to Tampa, as you naively assume, but right back to New York. That's what they had in mind when they bought the team.

Perhaps this explains why the Rays were looking to draft someone to play the grassy knoll.

The Rays, in fact no team no matter how good or bad, will never draw respectable crowds in Tropicana Field. It was put in one of the most undesirable locations in Pinellas County and the demographics in that general area will never support major-league baseball. Most of the folks, within a 10-mile radius around the Trop, are too old, too poor, or just plain not interested.

The location was cited by more people than any other reason. Considering the lack of development around the Trop in the last decade, it is certainly worth arguing the point.

What more do people in the bay area want? The team has new ownership, they have upgraded the stadium, they have changed the name, they have changed the colors and slogans, they have not raised ticket prices and for crying out loud, THEY ARE THE LEADERS IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE EAST! … People need to wake up and realize that we are going to lose this franchise to a better market if we do not support this team, here and now.

It might be a little premature to sound the alarms about the franchise moving out of the area. A handful of cities are snooping around (Charlotte, Portland, San Antonio and Las Vegas among them) but none is considered slam dunks as major-league baseball markets. And that might be our saving grace.

The stadium was built at the wrong location for residents on this (Hillsborough) side of the bay and apparently there are not enough fans in Pinellas to give the team the support they deserve.

The problem is there are not enough fans on either side of the bay. To be a success in this market, the Rays have to draw heavily from both Pinellas and Hillsborough, with a sprinkling of other counties. There may be a better location than downtown St. Petersburg, but there is no perfect location.

I too am saddened by the lack of attendance and wish I could attend more myself … even though prices weren't raised this year, it is still hard to find the $25-$35 a person to go to a game. Last year, I was in a wheelchair and it cost my wife and I $28 a seat to go to games. We only went to two. This year, the economy is even worse, and fixed incomes rarely have money for baseball.

I got several e-mails similar to this, and my heart ached a little more with each one I read. I have no doubt that attending ball games would be a financial hardship for far too many people in Tampa Bay.

You can blame the economy or you can blame the skyrocketing cost of professional sports, the end result is the same: Too many people have been priced out of the picture, and that is a crying shame.

How many times per month do you shell out $100 on discretional activities that are not subsidized by your profession as a newspaper writer? That would be a good reference point for all of us crummy fans.

A lot of readers seemed to think I was personally criticizing them when I wrote about Tampa Bay's disappointing attendance figures on Thursday. That was far from the point of the column.

The issue is not with individual fans. I have no right — and neither does Stuart Sternberg — to tell anyone how to spend their entertainment dollars.

What is a legitimate issue is Tampa Bay's viability as a baseball market. For 10 years, the lack of support was written off as a byproduct of losing. Now that the Rays are winning, it is worth reassessing how this community responds.

Or fails to respond.

John Romano can be reached at romano @sptimes.com.



[Last modified: Sep 02, 2008 03:59 PM]



Comments on this article
by Danny Aug 29, 2008 3:44 PM
Baseball should implement the blackout rule that football uses. That is when the game is not sold out, the game is not televised. If you really want to see the Rays play, get off your asses and go to the game
by robert Aug 29, 2008 3:43 PM
The place is the PITS!That is the main reason--no other reason is close.
by Doris Aug 29, 2008 3:42 PM
My thought is why not draft local talented kids and the parents and friends would come to see them win or lose. If there is no local talent on the team if becomes a matter of where do I spend any extra $.
by VG Aug 29, 2008 3:42 PM
Art - This is the attitude some have toward baseball, but thank God 80+million fans don't have to share your pessimism....if you don't like baseball, don't comment on a MLB story, go to your football boards and talk about Gruden and his QB boys
by jason Aug 29, 2008 3:42 PM
geez, the location never seemed to be a problem when the lightning and storm were playing there. between the bucs, lightning, and storm, maybe this area is just spread a little thin with professional sports.
by John Aug 29, 2008 3:26 PM
The Rays remind me of a wife that has cheated on her husband for 10 years, cleans up her act and then threatens to leave him because he doesn't trust her. "Attend or we leave" implications leave many of us feeling numband wary about supporting them
by Dave Aug 29, 2008 3:26 PM
As a former season ticket holder having attended 30 games/season for the first 7 years, I now average about 6 games/season. Reasons for less games are a)financial, b)conflicting work & personal responsibilites and c)other competing leisure pursuits.
by Sarah Aug 29, 2008 3:26 PM
I love the Rays and I don't want to lose our wonderful team. I take my family to as many games as I can afford - typically 6 to 10 games a season. I'd go to all of them if I didn't have a job and kids (with all their homework) and bills to pay.
by Mark Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM
Quite comparing people coming from Pinellas to Bucs games. There are 8 games a year, less than 2 weeks of Rays home games. NFL game is an event. Also, Lightening attendance has not been so good the past few years.
by Joe Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM
If you consider building a stadium east of Tampa, you could draw from Orlando. As it is now, it is at least 2 hours each way if traffic is perfect. Think about nearly 8 hours to see a game and you know why you can't count on Orlando for support.
by Erick Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM
Many issues. Economy, new-ness of winning and no decent transportation system. Need viable mass transit between Tampa and St. Pete. I don't like Tampa traffic for Bucs games just like Tampa people don't like St. pete traffic for Rays games.
by Joellyn Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM
I agree with Ken, cost is not the problem. I believe it is location. If you live in eastern Hillsbourgh county and get off work at 5 or 5:30 you have to fight rush hour traffic to try to make a 7:10 game. Weekdays are bad but no excuse for weekends
by Rich Aug 29, 2008 3:25 PM
There just aren't enough Rays fans in this region to adequately support the team. This region may have over 2.5 million, but over half of them root for teams north of the state line.
by Mo Aug 29, 2008 3:24 PM
Oh please Tim get a grip. The area surrounding the Trop is not a "hot bed of drug activity" The area is too wide open and police presence is STRONG to say the least during games.
by Houston Aug 29, 2008 3:24 PM
Basically baseball sucks
by Steve Aug 29, 2008 3:23 PM
There is no problem, except maybe the jobs of some sports writers. It likely was not a great business decision by MLB to put teams in FLA. And it is a business. It isn't a knock on fans, it's just the way it is. But media folk love the freebies.
by RAYS Aug 29, 2008 3:22 PM
I am a long time season ticket holder and havent missed a game this year!!! I am just asking please Tampa, St. Pete, Clearwater, and anyone else who cares. Please come support the rays. They are 19-1 with 30,000 plus fans. THEY NEED US TO GET ROWDY!!
by Native Aug 29, 2008 3:22 PM
We didn't want baseball to begin with, we sure aren't going to pay to see it.
by J Aug 29, 2008 2:40 PM
MLB baseball lost me back in 89 with that strike.
by Sarah Aug 29, 2008 2:40 PM
1)Stadium should be in Gateway for easy access by Tampa,Pasco and St. Pete fans.2)Buying no food at the game,parking free(4 in a car)and its still $40 for all four of us to go to a game. 40 bucks ain't chicken feed.We go when we can: 6 times so far.
by Bob Aug 29, 2008 2:39 PM
As a lifelong Boston Red Sox fan I have no problem adopting the Rays as my second favorite team,attending at least 15 games a year,until recently when I have found the Rays fans to be rude and classless I will stay home now and so will my money.
by Dzawski Aug 29, 2008 2:39 PM
How is it that Pinellas people can cross the Bay to see the Bucs and the Lightning play but the Hillsborough people can come across the Bay to see the Rays? Did they change the bridges to one way?
by Daniel Aug 29, 2008 2:39 PM
The Lightning drew 17K as a last place team playing another rotten team the last game of the season. A hockey game? This should PROVE that Tampa is a better sports market. MOVE THE TEAM
by Dzawski Aug 29, 2008 2:39 PM
I cracks me up when I hear that the Trop is in a bad location. It is surrounded by Interstate highways!
by Bill Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM
I'm from Boston. I was a lifelong Red Sox fan until I moved to Tampa Bay and switched my allegiance to the Rays. Fenway Park is in a terrible location -- NO parking, you have to take the T to get there, awful traffic. No fan support issues there.
by Steve Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM
I moved here in 2002 from St Louis. The Cardinals were great; the Rays were a way to watch baseball. I'm only disappointed by uninspired play (Ben Grieve). I like the television coverage and comfort of home, but I am a big fan, especially this year.
by Brian Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM
Poor attendance at the Trop is disappointing, but it's become a Fact of Life. I really hope they stay, because I don't want to see them move and become the "Charlotte Rays."
by David Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM
I love the Rays. That means that I love the close ups, the replays, and all the different looks I get at a close call. I go to the trop to party. To watch baseball, I catch it on TV. Put those things on the jumbotron, I'll get there more often.
by james C Aug 29, 2008 1:25 PM
Ask people in March how many games they plan on going to this year. Then in Sept ask how many they went to and I bet you find out that "things" came up and it wasn't a priority to go to the game. If they keep winning in 2 years the place will be full
by Tim Aug 29, 2008 1:25 PM
Went last night, most boring sport I've ever been to.
by Coach Aug 29, 2008 1:25 PM
Baseball is just a dying sport, old geezers are the only ones who like it. Die baseball die.
by Tina Aug 29, 2008 1:25 PM
You couldn't pay me to go to a baseball game, BORING>
by Bob Aug 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Pennant race, 1st place team and people are whining about location and costs? Tampa and Sarasota are 45 minutes,tops. This is a wonderful team to watch. There are many ways to obtain cheap tickets.Just look outside the Trop.Let's support our Rays now
by bigbbfan Aug 29, 2008 10:17 AM
I am a 20 game season ticket holder. In addition to those 20, I have atteded another 10 games & 5 pre-season. Right now I'm saving my pennys for October. In case you didn't know that is Sec 309 (the cheap seats) for 2 people = $1070.00.
by John Aug 29, 2008 10:15 AM
I'm a condo owner who comes down mostly in the winter. However, I've seen several games at Tropicana fiels and it seems to me to be the problem. The wreaking ball and a new stadium are called for. I'm rooting for the Rays from afar on the net.
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