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Tampa Bay keeps getting in Philadelphia's path to glory

By Gary Shelton, Times Sports Columnist
In print: Tuesday, October 21, 2008


The Eagles in 2003 Ronde Barber and the Bucs went to Philadelphia to end the team’s Super Bowl dreams.
The Eagles in 2003 Ronde Barber and the Bucs went to Philadelphia to end the team’s Super Bowl dreams.
[Jim Damaske | Times (2003)]
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It is hard to say exactly what cracked the Liberty Bell, Philadelphia's cherished symbol.

Just asking, but are we certain Lee Roy Selmon had nothing to do with it?

After all, hasn't Tampa Bay pretty much broken everything else in Philly? In particular, dreams?

And here we go again.

Tampa Bay is going to play Philadelphia in the World Series. Of course it is. Perhaps you were not sure if the Rays were ever going to play in a Series, or if your great-grandchildren were going to live to see it, but somehow, you knew if it happened, it would be against the Phillies.

When it comes to the pursuit of sports championships, after all, it seems that a team from Philadelphia always is in the way.

Well, for a while, anyway.

It was that way in the 2002 season, when the Bucs went through the Eagles on their way to a Super Bowl title.

It was that way in 2004, when the Lightning went through the Flyers on their way to a Stanley Cup.

For that matter, it was even that way in 2006, when Rocky Balboa (in the cleverly named movie Rocky Balboa) lost his last fight to a fictional fighter named Mason Dixon. The character of Dixon was portrayed by boxer Antonio Tarver, who lives in Tampa. Where else?

As long as Tampa Bay has been making playoffs, it seems that Philadelphia has been around. The Bucs' first playoff victory, with Doug Williams and Selmon back in '79, was against the Eagles. The Lightning's first victory (and first series loss), with Brian Bradley and Daren Puppa, was against the Flyers. The Rays vs. Phillies? Yeah, that figures.

If the sight of Philadelphia teams is a little familiar to Tampa Bay, however, just imagine what these games must look to Philly fans. Even now, the feeling persists in Philadelphia that if the Eagles had beaten the Bucs in January '03, they would have taken the Raiders for the title the next week. Even now, the feeling persists that if the Flyers had gotten past the Lightning, Calgary could have been had.

In other words, Tampa Bay's trophies easily could have been Philadelphia's.

For Philly fans, who haven't seen a major title in 25 years (the 76ers), it's not as much consolation as you might think.

"The first thing I thought of was, 'I don't want to lose another title to Tampa Bay,' " said Rob Babik, 43, a graphic artist who has done work for both the Eagles and the Bucs. "Not again."

For Philadelphia, these were heart and soul losses. The Bucs ripped out a city's heart, and the Lightning stomped on its soul. In some ways, Philly has never recovered.

Go back to the NFC Championship Game, the darkest Sunday Philly has endured in years. Never has there been a game that Philly fans were so sure they were going to win. Frankly, there haven't been a lot of playoff games when Bucs fans were so sure they were going to lose.

After all, the previous two Bucs seasons had ended in heartache in Philadelphia. There was the 21-3 loss in the 2000 season (offensive coordinator Les Steckel was fired). There was the 31-9 loss in the 2001 season (head coach Tony Dungy was fired). In both games, the weather seemed too cold, the Eagles seemed too tough and Veterans Stadium felt like a graveyard.

The next season's game was different. That was the game with Joe Jurevicius and his 71-yard reception, the game with Ronde Barber and his 92-yard interception return, the game that some fans still talk about as much as the Super Bowl victory over the Raiders.

Guess what? The Eagle fans talk about it, too.

"I never heard quiet like that," said Babik, who was packed and ready to go to San Diego for the Super Bowl. "I was in the upper deck, and you could hear the Bucs players celebrating on the field."

Pete Ciarrocchi, the co-owner of eight sports bars called Chickie's & Pete's in Philadelphia, remembers, too.

"You know what?" Ciarrocchi said. "Who cares? These Tampa Bay people … they're a zero. People say to me, 'Don't you dislike us?' I say, 'We don't even know you exist.'

"That game … it's the last game, and it looks like we're gonna kick (butt). Then there is that Jurevicius weirdo. And Brad Johnson. Who the hell told him he was good? They didn't beat us. We lost. We didn't want to score. If we did, we would have kept running the ball."

Ciarrocchi makes a growling sound from somewhere deep inside. Yeah, he remembers.

"I don't have any animosity (toward Tampa Bay)," he said. "Now, we dislike Boston, because Boston cheats. But I like the Tampa Bay area. I like the Gasparilla parade. Jeff Garcia is one of my personal dearest friends. You know why the Eagles got rid of Jeff? Because everyone loved him. He could walk on the Delaware River up here and not sink. But the Eagles knew that every time Donovan McNabb threw an incomplete pass, people would call for Jeff.

"I wouldn't say we think of Tampa Bay as a nemesis. I think fans would be welcome in our bars. Boston fans wouldn't be. But no one would bother Tampa Bay fans if they were cheering for their team. Well, unless we were losing."

If the Bucs-Eagles game had story lines, so, too, did the Lightning-Flyers.

That was the "Shut Your Yap" series, remember? After Flyers coach Ken Hitchcock said something to a Lightning player in Game 2, coach John Tortorella told Hitchcock to shut up, and by doing so invited all the scorn and pressure onto him. Which meant none was left for his players.

That was also the series when Keith Primeau, who had won Game 6, had a breakaway against Nikolai Khabibulin in Game 7 and was stopped cold. That was the series that Ruslan Fedotenko, the former Flyer, scored five goals.

"In a way, that was worse," Philadelphia Daily News columnist John Smallwood said. "We lost to a warm-weather city like Tampa? I remember writing that it would have been one thing if a city like New York or Chicago had done it, but it was different for Tampa Bay to make us their (manservant)."

Smallwood wrote something else in that column, too.

"At least we never have to worry about the Rays against the Phillies in the World Series."

Now, they do. And how about this for a starting lineup: Jurevicius at first base, Barber at short, Khabibulin in left, Selmon on the mound and so forth?

Now playing in Tampa Bay: The Philadelphia Story 3: This Time, It's Baseball.

If nothing else, the replay boards ought to be interesting.



[Last modified: Oct 22, 2008 10:34 PM]



Comments on this article
by joe Oct 22, 2008 10:34 PM
Hey Philly when is the last time you won anything? Don't come on here acting like you guys have been winning all this time. When your Ace loses game 1 then what?
by To Lisa Oct 22, 2008 10:32 PM
Lisa- get it right- they are the Tampa Bay Rays! They play in St. Pete but represent the sports team for Tampa Bay. Tampa/St. Pete big deal. This matters even less to people outside of the Central FL area.
by Brandy Oct 22, 2008 10:32 PM
Go Rays! Sorry Phillies, it looks like this is the start of a great franchise for the Rays. I'm sure it will be a good game because Rays always play solid and win!
by John Oct 22, 2008 10:30 PM
Lisa no where does it say the rays play in Tampa. It is says Tampa Bay. Which last time I checked wasn't a city but the surrounding area around Tampa Bay duh
by John Oct 22, 2008 12:31 PM
Local sports fans will never forget Barber picking that ball off and taking it to the house to close down the Vet, and send the Bucs to the SuperBowl. That has to go down as the best moment in Bucs history.
by jeff Oct 22, 2008 11:45 AM
Lisa, get over yourself and the whole St.Pete/Tampa thing. If you were a guy, there is a 2 word expression that would describe your condition and the last word is ----- envy. Go Rays!!!!
by John Oct 21, 2008 7:36 PM
Have Ronde throw out the first pitch for Game 1, Vinny Game 2, and have Derrick Brooks catch both times.
by lisa Oct 21, 2008 7:33 PM
I wish everyone would get it right, bucs play in tampa, Rays play in St.Petersburg, Not "TAMPA" even news people cant get it correct, philles have spring training in clearwater, not tampa.. Ray belong to St.petersburg. not tampa....
by Mary Oct 21, 2008 5:15 PM
Philadelphia cream cheese needs to change it's name to Philadelphia CREAMED cheese. Creamed by Tampa in every sport.
by hazeee Oct 21, 2008 5:13 PM
Hey Ruck.... Haven't been in the Trop have you? The Phillies aint never heard anything like 15,000 cowbells. I hope the philly phans choke on their cheese steak.
by RucktheFays Oct 21, 2008 4:10 PM
The best part is these front runner transplant punks won't get near Citizens Bank Park. The fans here go to the games... all of them. The Phils had more sellouts this month than those stiffs did all year. Think Sux fans are loud.. just wait.
by Joel Oct 21, 2008 4:10 PM
The only good thing about Philadelphia is leaving it!
by Shane Oct 21, 2008 4:10 PM
The Rays don't have a chance.
by Gary Oct 21, 2008 2:45 PM
Good article. To classify all Philly fans as the worst in all of sports is like saying the 8 of you who commented on the article are the only Rays fans. There are at least 20 more of you. Good luck Rays ... Go Phils.
by ryan Oct 21, 2008 2:34 PM
Tampa Bay turns into TAMPADELPHIA come wednesday.
by Ryan Oct 21, 2008 2:33 PM
Congratulations, Tampa residents finally noticed there is a Major league Baseball team...in St. Petes! Watch the Phillies fans take over the trop and turn that little town into TAMPADELPHIA
by Rob Oct 21, 2008 2:16 PM
Tampa Bay has taken down the Eagles and Flyers. Next up, the Phillies. Got to love it! Rays in 6
by kelly Oct 21, 2008 2:10 PM
I was born and raised in Philly and bred to be a Phillies and Eagles fan. But over the last 7 years i have gone to a few rays games and had fun, I am a die hard Philly fan(phanatic you know the green guy) but if the rays win, i wont be too upset.
by max Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
got into an argument with a philly fan(go figure) & I gave him a prop by saying we may own you but at least you can rip my Rays. Well, sorry but, destiny will not deny our trifecta on the city of brotherly love!
by Jim Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
We wouldn't know filthadelphia existed either except you keep wanting to play with us. Kind of like the kid at the bus stop that just keeps wanting to fight and u get sick of beating him up!
by Jon Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
Great story. You will see a lot of knuckleheads on here but I wish you the best of luck. You will need it.
by John Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
I couldn't have said it any better. Philly fans are to worst in all of sports. This is the only city where I see more of their fans getting kick out of Raymond James and the SP Times Forum. Rays take them in 4 and good ridance!!
by corky Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
Gee .. I heard that after the loss to the buc's that the whole city was on suicide watch
by tim Oct 21, 2008 11:26 AM
What a BS story line I hope you guys don't buy into this stuff. You had a great year a baseball goes. Lets see if you can keep your players after two years. Whats the fan base in your town.8,000 for baseball games good luck with that.
by Tony Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
yes, Tampa teams are getting to be a pain in the neck. When the Lightning beat the Flyers, that was tough, but to lose to the Rays, that would really hurt. Though I would rather see the Rays win than Boston. Lets go Phillies
by John Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
I couldn't have said it any better. Philly fans are to worst in all of sports. This is the only city where I see more of their fans getting kick out of Raymond James and the SP Times Forum. Rays take them in 4 and good ridance!!
by Brian Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
They need to play Rhonde Barber's Interception for a TD and Vinny's breakaway goal against Philly in Philly for a goal on the teletron.Pump us up !!!
by joe Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
I LOVE IT!! The only thing sweeter than the Rays being in the WS is that we get a team from Philly to beat!!! This is what Tampa teams do. I'm 39 yrs old and born and raised right here. To watch our baseball turn it around also is just awesome!!
by Jenna Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
I say let Barber throw the first pitch!
by AmyG Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
I've been saying this for a week now - our path to glory always goes through Philadelphia. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of fans.
by Stephanie Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
Love this...hopefully you'll be able to add the Philly baseball woes after the WS. Go Rays!
by King Gator Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
Can we have Ronde Barber throw out the 1st pitch for Game 1 - That would be awesome!
by Rob Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
You give your city too much credit. Florida is good for 2 things in Philly: retirement, and Disney World. The Rays, or the Bucaneers for that matter, are not on our list of things we hate. The South in general maybe, but certainly not your teams.
by Jan Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM
I wasn't sure anyone remembered all the "Philly" stuff BUT it would be a great reminder if Ronde threw out the 1st pitch Game 1 and Capt. Dave in Game 2...
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