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World Series: Phils' fans live down to their reputation

By John Romano, Times Sports Columnist
In print: Monday, October 27, 2008


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PHILADELPHIA — It is a proud city. A city rich in history and steeped in tradition. In some ways, a city like no other in America. And today, perhaps the city of Philadelphia should be embarrassed.

During Game 3 of the World Series on Saturday night, Rays family members and employees say they were harassed and abused by Phillies fans at Citizens Bank Park to an unacceptable degree.

Children were cursed at, and one 9-year-old boy had beer poured on him. A Rays family member stayed locked in a bathroom stall because, he said, Phillies fans were banging on the walls and threatening him.

Team officials were reluctant to talk about the situation for fear of stirring up more hostility, but they acknowledged they had extensive discussions with Major League Baseball and Phillies officials before Game 4 on Sunday.

"It's like anything else. We learn from our mistakes and other people's mistakes, and we fix them," Rays owner Stuart Sternberg said. "If it happens again, then it's a bigger problem."

Look, this is not a question of Rays fans being sissies. This is not about being offended by "Rays s- - -" chants. We're talking about behavior more suitable for a prison yard than a family ballpark.

You can make fun of Tropicana Field, and you can make fun of Tampa Bay's limited fan base. You can dog B.J. Upton about hustling, and you can call Matt Garza a whack job.

But some words should not be used, and some lines should not be crossed. And from talking to the Rays on Sunday, the Phillies fans trampled all over every acceptable line of decency.

"I'm not going to be critical of the efforts we took (Saturday) night. If somebody else chooses to be, then so be it," said Phillies senior vice president Michael Stiles. "In my experience, it is very difficult to prevent words coming out of people's mouths. And sometimes the words that come out are offensive. If they are profane, if they are threatening, if physical assaults occur, we will identify those people and eject them or arrest them.

"There are some things you can't control. If an entire section of fans start chanting the a-hole word, there's not much you can do. We think we have responded to the complaints in the appropriate way."

Oh, so violators are ejected or arrested. And how many ejections were there in Game 3?

Stiles said he did not have exact figures but had been told by MLB officials that there were 12 ejections/arrests Saturday night.

Twelve? TWELVE!

In a crowd of 45,900? In a town known for having the country's most brutal fans? In a game that did not begin until after 10 p.m., giving fans more booze time? Chuck E. Cheese's has more ejections on a Saturday.

This is where I have a problem with the Phillies and the city. I understand that 200 or so knuckleheads no more represent this great city than the worst 200 knuckleheads represent Tampa Bay.

Yet the team, the police, the mayor's office and the citizens allow their reputation to be lowered down to the level of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals because they condone this behavior year after year after year. Condone may not even be the right word. They revel in it.

This isn't just rude or profane; it is intimidating and threatening. It is women being called whores and worse. It is children having food thrown at them. It is being pushed, shoved and jostled in the concourses.

Does this sort of thing happen at other stadiums? Without a doubt. And I'm sure it has happened on occasion at Tropicana Field, too. But no city has the reputation of Philadelphia. And the Rays have never complained about another stadium in this way.

An MLB official acknowledged the league shared responsibility for the lack of security at the stadium for Game 3 and said measures had been taken to assure fan safety Sunday night.

Unfortunately, the damage had been done. Sternberg declined to have Rays players introduced in the stadium before Game 4, at least partially because of the previous night's crowd. Some of the traveling party also declined to attend the game.

"Down by the dugout I had a good time with a bunch of guys sitting in the stands," said Rays manager Joe Maddon. "I was actually giving a guy a hard time for drinking Coors Light in Philadelphia. I said, 'Where's the Schmidt's? At least some Rolling Rock. Don't be going with Coors Light.' It's so unfashionable for a Philly dude. I was all over him about that, so we had a good time.

"Really, the biggest part is the families, if we could do something about that. Throwing mustard packs at my granddaughter is not very cool. The other part, I'm good with."

There's nothing wrong with passion. Nothing wrong with poking fun and having a good time. Nothing wrong with showing Eva Longoria's picture when Evan Longoria is batting.

But something is very wrong about threatening families and children.

And something is wrong with a city that allows it.



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Comments on this article
by Carolyn Oct 27, 2008 7:12 PM
I understand being upset if a child gets harassed. That's totally unacceptable. I was at the game as well and enjoyed having Rays fans in our section. A few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. These are two good teams giving us a good series.
by bgc Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM
The people at the game were not abusive. Ribbing, yes. Abusive, no. The seats behind homeplate have their own restrooms with matrons. They are exclusive seats and that is where families sit. I saw the group of people dressed in blue.It never happened
by Mac Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Philly is a rough town. You don't go to the park in an opposing uniform period. You can't change the culture. You accept it and take your chances. If you want civility root for the Braves next year.
by frederick Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Yes I live in the armpit NJ and I cheer for philadelphia pro sports teams. But at least I cheer for my team in good times and in bad, I don't show after my team makes the playoffs. Have some heart tampa and don't make up lies to put us down!
by Lou Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM
I am a Phillies fan and I tend to believe this story. I have been to many games in this city and some of the fans are true idiots. I once saw at an Eagles game a kid about the same age tripped down the concrete steps. Sad.
by paul Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM
Translated, the Phillies are making us look like Tampa Bay has always looked. a difference in fan behavior? the ONLY REAL difference is there ARE Phillies fans. Iowans know how awful your fans are, played UFlorida Gators in a bowl game in oRLANDO.
by Steve Oct 27, 2008 7:10 PM
Not a single name or piece of evidence. Get real, Jason Blair. It didn't go down like this. I was at the game last night--we gave the VERY FEW Rays fans in attendance a good-natured hard time,--"EVA!!" but nothing vulgar or obscene. SOUR GRAPES!!
by Mike Oct 27, 2008 5:44 PM
I am a proud philly fan and find most of these accusations wrong. I had friends at that game and no one heard anything that crossed the line. Hope you have continue to sell out after this great season.
by Gina Oct 27, 2008 5:44 PM
Your article doesnt past the mustard test. There are no mustard packets given out in Philly, its taped from a large bottle. Philly has true fans attendance 3,422,583, Natl League ave 2,464,986, Rays attendance 1,780,791. Tell the whole True story.
by phil Oct 27, 2008 5:43 PM
It started with the classless organization playing "fish fish fish" as the Rays were being introduced on Saturday nite. Classy move-this ain't arena football or the NBA- its the freakin World Series! Grow up and move out of Moms basement, philly fan!
by John Oct 27, 2008 5:41 PM
What only printing the comments that agree with the false story submitted by Mr. Romano? How sad. Is that why so many comments have been removed or never printed?? Now that's class.
by bill Oct 27, 2008 5:41 PM
Everyone knows not to where opposing teams jerseys in philly your asking for it. If I go to another stadium with my philly jersey on I expect to be harassed. Its part of sports and I love it. PS No one from philly would waste a beer on a 9 year old!
by bill Oct 27, 2008 5:39 PM
Everyone knows not to where opposing teams jerseys in philly your asking for it. If I go to another stadium with my philly jersey on I expect to be harassed. Its part of sports and I love it. PS No one from philly would waste a beer on a 9 year old!
by Steve Oct 27, 2008 5:39 PM
Proud of being lowlife dirtbags!! Awesome. Please stop procreating.
by Tyrick Oct 27, 2008 5:39 PM
Pardon me Ryan, but I do believe you are one of those chaps who guzzles beer out the end of a garden hose. Your remark was so awash in ignorance that I'm sure you have to wear earphones with a recorded instructions on how to exhale after you inhale.
by Ron Oct 27, 2008 5:38 PM
If you have proof, show it to the Philly reporters to they can check it out. I was at the game and had several fans of Tampa in my section. While the Philly fans were very loud fans, I saw none of what you claim.
by BIill Oct 27, 2008 5:38 PM
45,000 EXCITED PASSIONATE PHILLIES FANS...DID NOT HARM OR THREATEN NOT ONE SINGLE TAMPA FAN. I WAS AT THE GAME, AND THE FANS WERE PUMPED UP AND HAPPY, AND MAYBE KIDDINGLY TRASHED TALKED SOME TAMPA FANS, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT HAPPENED.
by sean Oct 27, 2008 5:38 PM
why is this incident not a story anywhere else? Oh that's right because it has no bearing. This reporter relies on unnamed "MLB Officials." completely arbitrary and shameful reporting. Somebody should fire this guy, b/c he disgraces your newspaper
by andrea Oct 27, 2008 5:30 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/fanz.html?viewAllLatest=y&text=#comments you think this article is bad journalism, go to the link ^. It's ridiculous that you can't go to a philly game without risking your life. Class anyone? Please.
by Harvey Oct 27, 2008 5:29 PM
Children and women were abused and threatened? Romano, you and your associates let this happen without jumping in the face of the people doing it? I find this hard to believe. We, the Phillies fans, do not abuse women and children. We are not animals
by Bruno Oct 27, 2008 5:28 PM
Hurry up! Someonc call the awaaaaaambulance!
by Sean Oct 27, 2008 5:28 PM
Man this dude is pansy and completely biased. Your rays are losing and this dude needs to resort to this sort of red herring irrelevant claim. Do you honestly think fans would be nicer to you in LA? NY? Boston? Give me a break and grow some balls
by Tuck Oct 27, 2008 5:27 PM
I would be rude if I had to live in South Jersey too -- The Armpit of America!
by Keith Oct 27, 2008 5:27 PM
Whoa Whoa Whoa! First, CPB doenst have mustard packets. Second, beer($7.50 per) pouring gets you tossed at CPB(I know from experience). Lastly, fans dont pay that amount for tickets to get tossed by abusing band wagon fans. You aint Mets fans...
by andrea Oct 27, 2008 5:26 PM
++ hey philly fans, no wonder this seems bad to you. YOUR IN A TAMPA NEWSPAPER FOURM. guess what the philly article seemed pretty bad to me! Don't you have anything better to do, like go harass some helpless kids. GO RAYS!
by DJ Oct 27, 2008 5:26 PM
Good natured ribbing is fine, but the profanity and aggressive behavior used was shameful. The Bays fans that paid for a ticket to come all the way to your great city and cheer for their team were not your enemies, they were your guests.
by Moves Oct 27, 2008 5:26 PM
Coming from a journalism perspective, your article is very biased. This is obviously not fair reporting. I feel as though this article crosses the line of very harsh. Journalists are to report news, not provoke hatred.
by Melissa Oct 27, 2008 5:23 PM
If this is true, the treatment of children is horrible. Its one thing to heckle the players or even some goodnatured heckling of the fans... but kids? That's uncalled for. I don't care which city you're in. This isn't a dog fight. Its baseball.
by Dave Oct 27, 2008 5:23 PM
So you have proof, right? You have people willing to go on the record and aren't just making this up? You actually have some substance here? Nothing but unnamed sources in your story. Your editors should be ashamed. You should be fired.
by Smoke Oct 27, 2008 5:23 PM
Does Tampa even have any fans to get mustard thrown at them or beer spilled on them!?
by Phitin Philly Phan Oct 27, 2008 5:22 PM
I am dissapointed from reading this. I was at the games. This story seems to be a fabrication or an amplification of an extreme minor population (supported by only 12 ejections). Our fans are loud, tough, but we do not cause harm with few exceptions
by Jim Oct 27, 2008 5:22 PM
COME ON...NO ONE WAS PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED OR THREATENED..THAT'S JUST B.S.... OF COURSE THERE WAS SOME A-HOLE NAMES BEING CALLED TO PEOPLE WEARING TAMPA HATS....WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IN PHILLY AT THE WORLD SERIES..CHEERS?
by Frank Oct 27, 2008 5:22 PM
This is a poor piece of journalism, way too predictable with way too many stereotypical references to the City and citizens of Philadelphia. Where are you quotes, who are these mystery fans that were harassed? At least establish some credability.
by meggie Oct 27, 2008 5:22 PM
--- no picture was shown of Eva Longoria. The fans chanted "Eva" when Evan Longoria was up to bat. Did you even watch the game???
by Joe S Oct 27, 2008 1:11 PM
why generalize millions? Simple, because the Rays happen to be down 3-1 and this makes the Rays fans feel better. The team is choking big time so they go with the cliche, "Philly fans are brutal". You guys lost and your really sounding like babies!
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