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By
Aaron Sharockman, Times Staff Writer
In print: Sunday, November 16, 2008
The 2009 season will be key to determining whether the Rays can turn short-term excitement into the long-term support needed to keep the team in St. Petersburg.
The upstart Tampa Bay Rays were about to take the field in the World Series. Tropicana Field was gorged with fans and media. A national TV audience looked on. Yet one big question continued to hang in the air.
Do the Rays have a future in the Tampa Bay area?
The answer, Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg recently said, may not be clear until next spring, or possibly September.
"To operate here, we have to have sponsors, and have season-ticket holders, and have TV revenue, to have any chance of this thing working," he told a visiting reporter.
Sternberg's remarks could simply be a push for a new stadium. But he has good reason to question whether the Tampa Bay area can support a baseball team in the long run.
Despite two relatively large population centers and a history of spring training, the Tampa Bay area remains one of the poorest, oldest and most fractured communities with a major league baseball team, according to a St. Petersburg Times analysis of the 25 U.S. baseball markets.
Yes, attendance increased dramatically this year, but it remains near the bottom of either league. And season ticket sales rank next to last, the team says.
Tampa Bay might be a market just getting its baseball legs.
And even that may not save the team.
Trying to take root
The Times reviewed bellwether population and demographics for baseball's 25 U.S. metropolitan areas (four areas have two teams, and the Toronto Blue Jays play in Canada).
The findings show consistently that the Tampa Bay area is in a difficult position compared to other markets:
• We make less money. Tampa Bay area workers earn less per capita than all but two major league baseball cities — Milwaukee and Phoenix — according to the U.S. Department of Commerce. Workers who make less spend less on a luxury such as baseball.
• Our cost of living is high. Ten of baseball's 25 markets are cheaper to live in than the Tampa Bay area, according to a study that tracks housing, food, utility, and transportation costs. In fact, Tampa Bay's cost of living is closer to Chicago's than Houston's.
• We are older. The Tampa Bay area is the second-oldest baseball market behind Pittsburgh. The median age in Tampa Bay is 40.7; it's 34 in San Diego. Older markets means fewer families and fewer children — two qualities typically important to attendance.
• We aren't from here. The Tampa Bay area is one of only three markets where a majority of its U.S.-born residents came from out of state, according to census figures. (Phoenix and Washington are the other two.) The Tampa Bay area ranks last in the number of residents who were born in state — less than 900,000 out of a total population of more than 2.71-million.
The numbers help illustrate why Boston Red Sox fans have at times outnumbered Rays fans at Tropicana Field.
Of course, it's easier now than ever to say Tampa Bay can support a professional baseball team.
The Rays sold out eight home playoff games within minutes this year, and attendance this season increased a major leagueleading 30 percent.
Past that one-sided view, however, lies a different reality. The Rays shared baseball's second-best record in 2008 but finished 26th out of 30 teams in tickets sold.
But it's not even a question of fan loyalty or fan apathy. It's simple supply and demand.
J.C. Bradbury, an associate professor at Kennesaw State University in Georgia who specializes in the economics of baseball, says the limited number of fans the Rays have to reach puts them at a disadvantage compared to other ballclubs. But baseball chose the Tampa Bay area for a reason, he said. Even if it's operating on the margins.
"Baseball put a team in Tampa Bay because they thought it could make money there," Bradbury said.
Mid or small market?
Rays team president Matt Silverman calls Tampa Bay a midsize baseball market that he hopes will support a team accordingly.
But putting the Tampa Bay area in the middle of the pack might be a stretch.
In terms of population, Tampa Bay ranks 18th out of 25 U.S. baseball markets. (Population totals include Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco and Hernando counties).
Yet, Tampa Bay has a unique and problematic geography — namely the bay separating Pinellas and Hillsborough counties.
Fans, the team and community leaders agree that a less than 10-mile-wide gap has created a chasm much larger.
"It's like a different world here," said Florida Chamber of Commerce president Mark Wilson, who moved to Tampa from Chicago and now lives in Tallahassee. "It's nothing you can really explain. It's not a long drive, but people think it is."
The distance is represented in other ways. While the entire area is being asked to support the Rays at the turnstiles, only Pinellas residents are on the hook to pay for a new stadium.
The parochial funding scenario means less than 35 percent of the area is being asked to fund 100 percent of the public cost of a new ballpark. Raymond James Stadium in Tampa was built the same way.
As part of its analysis, the Times calculated the population within five miles of 20 stadiums, including Tropicana Field. Is Tampa Bay at a disadvantage compared to more densely populated cities?
While the Rays have fewer people within a short distance than most teams, it's difficult to pinpoint it as a problem, data show.
Pittsburgh and Miami, which had lower attendance than the Rays last season, ranked near the top in population density around their ballparks.
Another measure — and one the Rays themselves tout — is the size of the Tampa Bay area television market.
According to Nielsen Media Research, the Tampa Bay area is the country's 13th-largest television market. Among baseball's 29 U.S. ballclubs, the Rays rank 17th in TV households. Nielsen's rankings count Sarasota and Manatee counties.
The numbers improve when the Rays are televised on Fox Sports Net Florida, a cable channel that reaches more than 5-million homes.
One market study that focuses solely on the potential television audience says the Rays rank in the middle of Major League Baseball.
But a broader study performed by Baseball Prospectus managing director Nate Silver ranked the Rays 26th out of 30 teams.
"Unless dolphins start coming to baseball games," Silver said, "you'd rather not have your city surrounded by water."
Time will tell
For all the numbers, the viability of a market may depend on incalculable factors.
Take St. Louis.
A metropolitan area roughly the same size as Tampa Bay's. A smaller television market.
But a history and tradition of winning baseball has fueled the Cardinals in a way the Rays simply cannot match. The Cardinals have sold more than 3-million tickets 10 out of the past 11 years. The Rays have sold more than 2-million tickets only once during the same time.
As Sternberg said, time may be the best indicator of baseball's future in the Tampa Bay area.
Will enough fans eventually fall in love with the Rays?
And how long will Sternberg and baseball commissioner Bud Selig wait to find out?
Maury Brown, founder and president of bizofbaseball.com, said it's too early for answers.
"We've got one year to look at. We've got one successful season," said Brown, who worked with Portland community leaders on a plan to relocate the Montreal Expos to Oregon. "It's very difficult if not impossible to extrapolate how it will work in the long run. Anyone who says they can is lying."
Aaron Sharockman can be reached at asharockman@sptimes.com or (727) 892-2273.
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Comments on this article
by Mike
Nov 20, 2008 4:37 PM
These replies give clear visability that StPete residents are obtuse to the sports world. Dont bash SPT for their reporting. They are simply stating what the rest of all sports communities already know.You have to be economically viable to compete.
by Jimmy
Nov 20, 2008 1:55 PM
I would love if they stayed at tampa because i go every year and see about all the games i can see there and they really are good. Go Rays
by john
Nov 19, 2008 11:23 PM
Its time for pinellas tax payers to start funding some of our sports teams. Tampa has done its share. Otherwise let the team go...i won't miss them. Go Lightning.
by Geoff
Nov 19, 2008 9:05 AM
Beaches don't have "losing seasons" and don't need subsidies to pay horseshoe crabs. Amount of out of area attention on Rays over years has been minimal. Let the team pay 100% of the cost and keep 100% of the profits. We half that with the Bucs.
by mark
Nov 18, 2008 7:31 PM
Like it or not they would do better in Tampa. Just more money there. The economic impact on the playoffs was incredible. The bucs have had 2 super bowls come on if you don't think its good for the area I guess we should get rid of our beaches too.
by Matt
Nov 16, 2008 10:47 AM
As I have learned living my entire life in the bay area, If they win people will come. The evidence is this: the Bucs, Lightning, Storm, (for those who have been around here long enough) the Bandits, the Rowdies, and now the Rays. Support the team!
by Matt
Nov 16, 2008 10:47 AM
The people who want the team to move to tampa are nuts. What has Tampa ever done for the team other that whine that "it's to far" or "it's to hard to get to". It's far more difficult to get to RJS or the Forum durring a game that it is the Trop.
by Jay
Nov 15, 2008 11:59 PM
Way to go Aaron. I feel all warm inside after reading your piece. Gloom and Doom! Sternberg will move the team without your "help". Next time I see your byline, I'll pass it by.
by Hunter
Nov 15, 2008 8:47 PM
Aww Bigot Rick: you're welcome to be my guest at a Rays game sweatheart. You can even sit on my lap :)
by Taylor
Nov 15, 2008 8:39 PM
Not only are Manatee and Sarasota counties closer, they represent a large portion of the Rays season-ticket base.
But what a fantastic negative piece. Way to brush aside the positive aspects of this year's seasons... good job!
by $160 Million Kid
Nov 15, 2008 8:36 PM
Hmmm...Baseball CEOs can afford $140 million for a SINGLE PALYER but they can't afford a like ammount for stadiums. Why not lower player/executive salaries to finance your ballparks instead of holding taxpayers hostage?
by Tweety
Nov 15, 2008 8:25 PM
Greed is basically what it's about. Why are we asking these questions now? Shouldn't these questions have been asked years ago BEFORE this area invested in a team? Let them go if they don't like it here.
by Jim
Nov 15, 2008 8:24 PM
Florida must lead the country in terms of (Public) Taxpayer dollars going to help professional sports-owners. The Jaguars, Bucs, Magic, Marlins, Heat, the hits just keep on coming.
by Roland
Nov 15, 2008 8:19 PM
One good year and now they want to threaten leaving?!?!? WELL IT WAS NICE HAVING YOU HERE, GOODBYE! If you want a new stadium, ask Congress to give you a loan like everyone else.
by Michael
Nov 15, 2008 7:36 PM
Baseball is a great sport that is getting worse with money issues. Our economy is bad enough, now we have to worry about the owners and the money they need to make. Love the Rays, hate the money angle.
by Robert
Nov 15, 2008 7:34 PM
You've got to get that team out of St Pete and into Tampa where the demographics are better. I come to see games from Michigan and feel like I'm going to the ghetto to see the games in St Pete.....please move them!!
by Dave
Nov 15, 2008 7:28 PM
Why in the world would the times print this article now? Wait until the middle of next year and see where everthing stands.
Try reporting on actual baseball news (Hot Stove League?) rather than this gargabe.
Gave up my Times subscription today!
by RD
Nov 15, 2008 7:28 PM
Look at the attendence as percentage to capacity. Then compare 2 items, one, how does that measurement compare to the other MLB teams. Second, compare that to the Bucs and Lightening before they started winning. Then look again next year, direction
by Jim
Nov 15, 2008 7:26 PM
Rick, get off your parents computer, if they catch you, you'll go to bed without dinner.
Wonder how many your friends, you know those real fans can make it to games now that the Friendship Bridge is closed and they don't have a bike path availible?
by tim
Nov 15, 2008 7:26 PM
We have no idea if the Rays are making money or not. Without opening up their books then everything Mr Sternberg says should be treated with great suspicion. Public money for these billionaires? Hasta la vista, baby.
by Pappy
Nov 15, 2008 7:25 PM
Man this ain't rocket science. Just have an old rock group give a concert after every game. Walla, 3mil easy.
by orangeman
Nov 15, 2008 7:19 PM
I don't want to see it moved from Pinellas, but ig they did move it from Pinellas, I feel out east of the I-4/I-75 junction in hllsbrgh. Still close enough to draw Manatee/Pinellas and now Orlando areas as well.
by DIZ
Nov 15, 2008 7:13 PM
I've said it before. The difference is corporate season tickets, not walk up crowds. Compare the 98 season tickets to 08.
by Kenny
Nov 15, 2008 7:03 PM
Location, location, location. The stadium was built IN THE WRONG place. It should have been out by the dog track to begin with. Downtown waterfront won't get me there either.
by Seymour Birnbaum
Nov 15, 2008 7:01 PM
Why should I have to pay a cent for this 'baseball' thing? Why do I have to pay for schools and other things I dont use for that matter?
by Tuck
Nov 15, 2008 5:31 PM
Anyone who is okay with the Rays leaving town must also be okay with our local economy getting much worse. Do you people have any idea how many visitors came to this area last year ONLY because the Rays play here? Get a clue people!
by Robert
Nov 15, 2008 5:30 PM
Vince ran the franchise into the ground for 8 years and new owners think they'll reverse it in 2? And what other team has as many lifetime fans of the visiting team within driving distance of the park--a plus not cited? Only perhaps the Marlins.
by Rick
Nov 15, 2008 5:10 PM
1) Build stadium in Tampa Area 2) reconsider Bullet train from Orlando Area to St. Pete to help draw more fans. The drive for many of us is a long one, not including the bad traffic. I think Rays officials discount this aspect, but it is a problem.
by Chuck
Nov 15, 2008 1:12 AM
Being a big fan of all our sports teams I think that the teams should have to pay for their own stadiums/arena if they want a new one. RayJay built with public money was a mistake and any other built with public money is a mistake. Build your own.
by George
Nov 15, 2008 1:12 AM
More negativity from the Times. Why does the Times always grind the area down? Maybe people want to read stories that are optimistic. Virtually all newspapers are losing money and readers. Be positive and people may buy more newspapers.
by Rick
Nov 15, 2008 1:12 AM
Move the team to Tampa (not Gay Petersburg), and the stadium will fill with real fans - just like the Bucs.
by Jimbo
Nov 14, 2008 8:43 PM
Here's a better question: why does the media want to keep perpetuating the negativity? All signs point to a growing fan base. The people here just needed something to believe in. Now that they have it, they'll come in droves. This will be moot in '09
by rocky
Nov 14, 2008 8:40 PM
Let's seee what type of season ticket numbers we get next year. If the area does not support them next year...then when? We will have the answer this time next year. Go Rays...can't wait for spring training. My family and I will be there.
by Todd
Nov 14, 2008 8:39 PM
It's about geography! Who puts a stadium at the botom tip of a peninsula?????
Build a stadium that is more accessible to surrounding areas and you'll get more ticket sales! Feather Sound/Carillon area or Tampa would be best.
by Hardhat0038
Nov 14, 2008 8:31 PM
Personally, I hope they move somewhere they can succeed. They certainly won't here...
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