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LAKE BUENA VISTA — Bucs rookie Aqib Talib might be playing like an NFL veteran, but he has struggled to conduct himself like one.
Before training camp, coaches say, the cornerback was late to meetings. He got into an argument and shoving match with a teammate at the NFL rookie symposium. He even missed the team flight to Canton, Ohio, when the Bucs' rookies visited the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Talk about bad impressions. Lee Roy Selmon, the only Buc enshrined in Canton, accompanied the rookies on the trip from Tampa.
"He's not a bad kid," defensive backs coach Raheem Morris said.
"He's just a wild child."
Neither Morris nor Talib is making excuses for his mistakes. Talib, 22, says that on the occasions he was late, it was just a matter of sleeping in.
But coach Jon Gruden indicated Saturday that the team has fined Talib heavily — and repeatedly — for violating rules.
"We've handled it in a stern way," Gruden said. "Some of the mistakes the guy makes are innocent mistakes. They're not malicious. But all I think that has happened to him is his eyes are wide open now.
"He understands when he's not here, he's a letdown to Derrick Brooks. You're letting down all these Bucs fans. We're going to back up our end. We're going to pay you well, okay? You've got to earn that money now, or I'll take it all back."
The Bucs' eyes were wide open when they made him the 20th overall pick in April. (On July 25, he signed a five-year, $14-million contract with $8.2-million guaranteed.) At the scouting combine in February, he admitted to testing positive for marijuana three times while at Kansas.
But the Bucs believe the worst of Talib's problems are behind him.
"He might have some other issues pop up here just from being 12, or however old he is. But I don't worry about that (college) issue," Morris said. "I think he loves football too much to jeopardize it that way."
Talib said he knows he will be under more scrutiny throughout his career because of where he was drafted.
"You definitely have a little more weight on your back being a No. 1 pick," Talib said. "Everybody is accountable. If someone was a free agent, he'd get the same treatment as I got. It goes for everybody. You've got to be accountable for yourself."
On the field, Talib is an immense talent. At 6 feet 1, 206 pounds with Erector Set arms, he is one of the biggest cornerbacks to play for the Bucs. He also might be the most athletic, with 4.48-second speed in the 40-yard dash and a 38-inch vertical leap.
As he becomes more comfortable in the Bucs' defense, his talent shines through. Last week he had two highlight-reel interceptions, including one that would have been returned for a touchdown.
Talib is competing with veteran Phillip Buchanon for the starting left cornerback spot. At the least, he is almost certain to enter games on passing downs, when fellow cornerback Ronde Barber moves to the slot.
"He's got a little knack. He's got a little swagger about him," Morris said. "He carries himself like he's been playing in this league for years."
But off the field, Talib has more work to do.
Last month he had an altercation with Cory Boyd, the Bucs' seventh-round pick from South Carolina, at a finance seminar during the rookie symposium.
Reports of what happened were exaggerated, Bucs general manager Bruce Allen said. Talib is very popular among teammates because of his charismatic personality and smile.
"The great thing about Aqib is how eager he is to learn," Buchanon said.
But combined with the other mistakes, it paints a bad picture. Morris said the Bucs have to take the good and work on the bad.
"You know what you drafted. You know what you've got in him," Morris said. "He's going to be a little immature. It's my job to make him understand he's the focal point and no matter whether he's playing well or not, they're looking at him. I think he's starting to get it.
"I've seen a bunch of changes in his habits; just being at camp and having the professionalism he's having. I've watched him get a house, talk to a financial adviser, wanting to move his Pops down with him — a lot of things you want to see as far as him growing and developing, you see. Now, of course, he's going to go out and have some fun. Something may happen — knock on wood — tomorrow. But I do see some changes."
Gruden said he hopes his prized cornerback has turned the corner.
"It's a privilege for all of us being in the NFL," Gruden said. "The commissioner is watching. The world is watching, and the team is watching. Fans are watching.
"He's a great kid. I think he's going to be just fine."
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Comments on this article
by Garro
Aug 5, 2008 7:49 PM
You think Ronde was like this as a rookie?
by More Retard Fans
Aug 4, 2008 3:46 PM
This kid will be an absolute stud by next year and a stalward on this defense for 7-10 years. You people just love to complain about anything Gruden and Allen have to do with.
by chris
Aug 4, 2008 3:46 PM
Phil, you can. Go to the gym, tryout for an NFL team, and make it.
by Dave
Aug 4, 2008 3:46 PM
For the sheep out there who need help. The Times has had a negative slant on the Bucs since their mouthpiece and schill, McKay left. Get over it Times, this is the HOME team. I know there are a few positive stories, only becasue they have no choice.
by Jim
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Oh get real losers,.. this a stupid bs article. Cory Boyd,..is no longer with the team,.. and by all accounts was a loudmouth arse. You people act like he raped someone and burned a feakin village! get a grip!
by John
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
IF HE WASN'T OUT PARYTING ALL NIGHT TILL 4AM HE WOULD BE ABLE TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING! Nice pick Bruce...
by Nick
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Stroud we get it! You're still bitter the Bucs didn't draft Mike "Stone-hands" Jenkins. I personally hope Talib's play over the next several seasons forces you to eat everyone of venomous words.
by Slow Joe
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Articles like this make me miss having Warren Sapp around. While Derrick Brooks is a great leader by example, Sapp was someone who would definitely not put up with some cocky rookie DB acting immature. He would let Aqib know he better straighten up
by Matt
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Man,I'm sure glad the Bucs passed over a higher-character player with local ties like Bradenton's Mike Jenkins to draft this potheaded one year wonder who is already drawing fines. Send this jerk to the Raiders where he belongs...
by Joe Murgia
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Nice article. Let's hope Talib matures quickly and he takes our D to another level. He seems to be more like a troubled/arrogant kid than a good kid but hopefully, Morris can help keep him on the right track. $8.5M guaranteed at his age? Challenging.
by porter
Aug 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Allen and gruden better own this kid. they took him when all the so called experts said he was trouble. You chose him now make a pro out of him.
by Wade
Aug 4, 2008 3:27 PM
Maybe I'm wrong here, but sleeping through a meeting, missing a flight, heck, even smoking some weed in college definitely puts him in the same ballpark as Pacman. He could have some problems, but show me a team that doesn't have these concerns?
by jim
Aug 4, 2008 3:26 PM
wow are you serious? anyone watch the orange bowl or any other Kansas games last year, your dbag bucs are very lucky talib fell to the 20th pick because of the mary j crap... he'll be the best CB your team has had in years.
by Roger
Aug 4, 2008 3:26 PM
agee, seems like Talib is like a lot of young people, including those in the military. Yes, the same kids laying down their live for their country. Do those kids get in trouble, heck yes. Are they fired, heck no.But like Talib, they are disciplined.
by Jason
Aug 4, 2008 3:21 PM
So you guys think that you could go from college to doing what these guys are doing in camp, amidst the whirlwind that is this kid's life right now, and not sleep in a couple of times? BTW, players said that there was no real fight at the symposium.
by James
Aug 4, 2008 3:16 PM
So...why again did the Bucs pick up this clown over Mike Jenkins?
by Skip
Aug 4, 2008 2:58 PM
Jeesh, I guess when you live in sunny Florida this is sbout all you have to whine about. What a bunch of babies. I wish the Chiefs had taken him. Trade for Flowers straight up? Didn't think so. Talib has the abiliy to lead the NFL in picks someday.
by Jeff
Aug 4, 2008 1:51 PM
This kid is going to FAIL. I hope I'm wrong, but for every success story of guys who figure it out, there's dozens of Lawrence Phillips, Pacman Jones, and Ricky Williams. I give him a year before he's suspended a year for failing drug tests.
by JAE
Aug 4, 2008 1:33 PM
He's been getting away with this all his life due to his "talent".The fans pay the bills, and the taxpayers built the stadium, so it's our business too. Good work Stroud. Brooks needs to slap this rich punk before more headlines embarass us.
by Jim
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
He fought w/ a teammate at a financial seminar and all Allen says is players are attracted to Talib's charismatic personality and smile. That's a joke-right Allen? You could have done better by the team with the 20th pick than drafting this fool.
by Jim
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Talib is a loose cannon. He's attracted trouble for years. Entered college with a self described "poor work ethic." Now armed w/ a fat contract & $8.5M in guaranteed dollars its time to act responsibly Mr. Talib. We dont need a Pacman Jones type here
by Chris
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Oh look, another pile of Stroud. If I win the lottery, I'll buy the St Pete Times just to fire you. Another unnecessary hatchet job? Color me surprised.
by Brandon
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
I hope I'm not right abou this kid, I said from the moment we drafted him that he was a turd but I had faith that the team wouldn't invest that high a pick on a guy that can't be counted on... he needs to straighten up.
by Johnny H.
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Dave, why is it "pathetic" to point out the fact that the Bucs' most prominent rookie has a LONG history of irresponsible behavior?
The most disappointing thing about the article was Morris's comments about what a "great kid" Talib is.
Please.
by Tammy
Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM
Has he written a book yet about demanding that only he gets the ball?
by Jason
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Oh, look! Another negative spin on a nothing article by Dr. Stroud! What else is new?.....
by Larry
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Stroud,
You are pathetic. What exactly was the point to this article? Have you been collecting these examples to dump on the kid? The issues have been handled by team internally. Go report on some real news. Sad.
by Tim
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
What's the matter, Dave??The Times prints a negative story on the #1 pick and you get your feelings hurt??With 8.2 M guaranteed he can hire someone to wake him up.He will learn he is not bigger than the team or he will be broke .. one fine at a time
by Rufusdakat
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Uh oh, not another one. Heck, if he can do better then the other corners we've had for the past 5 years a little misbehaving can be forgiven.
We haven't had a good match for Ronde since Donnie Abraham.
by jim
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Dave - what the hell are you talking about. It is good coverage; not great, but good. It's fair and honest reporting. I'm a huge Bucs fan but I see no slant.
by Brian
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
It seems every player we recruit has this stigma of having problems. Then it comes back to bite us. Why can't we get players who are christians. Brooks, Dungy, Lynch.It's a moral virtue outlook. The good players at the top of the draft don't smoke.
by Brian
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Just because he has talent, doesn't mean he has his head on straight. We are notorious for the selection of problems. Rape,DUI's,running over wives with hummers,and doing drugs.Tony Dungy kept this to a minimum.This isn't the team I once known,loved
by Kristian
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
Talib should take it as a blessing to play here,we had the 2nd best pass D last year and yeah we would like him to fill in a minor hole he shouldn't feel like he's above this team,Aqib if your reading you'll be Buchanon,humble yourself!!!!
by Lee
Aug 3, 2008 11:31 AM
You start out talking about all the issues he is having then say that players like him? Oversleeping is NOT ACCEPTABLE for your salary.As a teacher if I oversleep repeatedly, I get fired. I wish I could make millions,oversleep,& say sorry.
by Dave
Aug 2, 2008 11:16 PM
The Times is at its pathetic best. Your newspaper is a disgrace to ALL Bucaneer fans. The negative light you cast the Bucs, their Head Coach, GM, and their players will have a lasting affect on your readership for MANY years. A VERY negative one.
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