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By
Rick Stroud, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, August 8, 2008
Coach Jon Gruden, talking with reporters at the Bucs’ first-ever night practice, didn’t apologize for considering a trade for Brett Favre. “If you don’t look into it, if you don’t survey the situation for yourself, you really don’t get all the information. … We want to win games,’’ he said.
LAKE BUENA VISTA — The first night practice ever for the Bucs at Disney's Wide World of Sports served as the perfect backdrop for coach Jon Gruden on Thursday.
It was there under the glare of bright bulbs shining down that Gruden tried to finally shed some light on the Bucs' failed pursuit of quarterback Brett Favre.
It's also where he attempted to begin to repair the potentially damaged relationship between the team and starter Jeff Garcia.
"It was a Catch-(22) situation," Gruden said. "If you don't look into it, if you don't survey the situation for yourself, you really don't get all the information, all you get are reports. But I had a chance to talk to Brett a couple times, talked to his wife. We want to win games.
"We need to get Jeff healthy and out on our practice field, that's an understatement. But I feel good about, A) being involved in this, knowing exactly what happened and B) I feel good about our quarterbacks as I said at the opening of training camp. I hope at the end of the day, if there are some feelings hurt, hopefully we can get over that and move on. We've got work to do."
The Bucs spent much of Thursday trying to provide a postmortem of their failed attempts to trade for Favre, the three-time MVP whose 16-year career ended in Green Bay when he was dealt to the Jets on Wednesday night.
At precisely the same time Favre was being introduced at a news conference in Cleveland, where the Jets were playing the Browns in a preseason game Thursday night, general manager Bruce Allen carefully outlined the Bucs' somewhat limited efforts to acquire Favre.
It was the second attempt by Allen to clear the air. His first news conference Thursday morning provided as many questions as answers under the glare of television lights.
"We were receptive to hearing what they wanted to do," Allen said. "I'm not going to say I wasn't interested in Brett Favre. Yes, I was interested. …The big question, and I'm not going to play the hypothetical game myself, what if there wasn't an AFC team that was available? Now what? The changes the dynamics. But I don't want to start to get into it."
Among the details Allen provided:
• He said the Packers would never share with the Bucs what they wanted in terms of compensation for Favre. From the start, Allen felt it was clear Green Bay's intention was to trade Favre, 38, to an AFC team. The Packers did not give the Bucs a chance to match the Jets' offer.
• Allen said he did not learn of the details of that pact until they surfaced in media reports. Favre was traded to the Jets for a conditional fourth-round pick that could become a first-rounder if he leads the Jets to the Super Bowl. There is also a condition in the deal that the Jets would have to give up three first-round picks if they trade Favre to an NFC North team, the Packers' division.
"We never got a specific answer what they wanted," Allen said. "It appears they did what they wanted to do if they were going to have a divorce with Brett, that was to send him to an AFC team."
• Allen said he had doubts whether he would've been willing to match the Jets' deal. He said the Bucs never made the Packers an offer for Favre.
• Regarding Garcia, Allen said he did not believe the Bucs' pursuit of Favre would affect Garcia's play or attitude. "I don't see this as a poor reflection on Jeff," Allen said. "This is a very unique human being we were talking about."
Garcia, 38, did not attend the evening practice Thursday and he will not accompany the Bucs to Miami for the preseason opener Saturday against the Dolphins. He is receiving treatment for a right calf strain.
Even before the Bucs' pursuit of Favre, Garcia had been vocal about his disappointment over the team's failure to pay him a $1-million playing incentive he narrowly missed when the team rested him late in the season.
Garcia already has missed eight days of training camp with his injury and an excused absence during the first weekend. At some point, he and Gruden will try to make peace so Garcia can take the controls of the team he led to the playoffs last season.
"There's not any air to clear," Gruden said. "This is not going to become an Oprah Winfrey special.
"It's an awkward thing. We're talking about a guy who's Brett Favre, one of the tremendous players of all-time."
Times staff writer Stephen F. Holder contributed to this report.
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Comments on this article
by dantheman
Aug 11, 2008 3:22 PM
I think Garcia had the quote of the year when he said Gruden loves QBs but only wants to date them not marry them. garcia should have know tha tthe bucs were going for farve the only thing he should be upset about is his bonus $ which he deserves.
by taz
Aug 9, 2008 2:17 PM
i think josh johnson has a great chance to play he threw 43 tochdowns and only one pick. he also was the fastest quaterback in draft.only he played d2 football so he fell to 5th round.i cant wait for this kid to play
by Dan
Aug 8, 2008 8:23 PM
Sure!!Whatever you say! Altho I am wondering if GB was using the Bucs as a foil to have NY up the ante. I do hope this doesn't become a morale spear through the heart of ALL the Bucs players.
by RAH
Aug 8, 2008 8:22 PM
Garcia is a prima donna she wants a raise for doing what she was brought here to do play QB - she's upset now because of the pursuit of Farve - The biggest looser here is the Buc's fan think about it folks we could have had Brett Farve as our QB
by Tony G
Aug 8, 2008 8:20 PM
Reasonably fair reporting Rick. I would say however the group that had their feelings hurt the most was the local media, they really don't like guessing wrong, that is what most of them do here, they guess, no research, contacts, just a guess.
by jimmy
Aug 8, 2008 8:19 PM
This story is over. Thank God the Bucs didn't bring Favre's disruptive showboat act here. Yes, the guy's a great QB, but look at how the Bucs management dissed Sapp to get his disruptive act out of the locker room.
by Tim
Aug 8, 2008 8:13 PM
An Oprah Winfrey Special... It's that attitude that just burns my butt.. You would have dropped Garcia in a heartbeat if Farve had come in and you smart-#@@ your way around it by "Oprah Winfrey Special.." What a jerk ...
by KG
Aug 8, 2008 7:59 PM
that the that the bucs were even thinking about favre is further evidence that gruden really has no plan to build a winner. he's just making it up as he goes.
by lildewey
Aug 8, 2008 7:58 PM
Thank God, Farve has landed. The news people are over their storm on the horizon frenzy. Can we get back to real news. Newies spout this c--p like most people care. All for nothing. Farve goes here. Farve goes there- it does not matter
by Mike
Aug 8, 2008 7:48 PM
Easy for Gruden to say--does he have any feelings besides anger? I can't wait for the Gruden era to be over. I have zero respect for this man and the way he runs his team.
by TONY
Aug 8, 2008 7:30 PM
It should be no suprise tha Allen was lying, it's easy to spot, His lips move. and Gruden only thinks what is good for Gruden. It's time for a change.
by glenn
Aug 8, 2008 7:22 PM
I give you a lot of room, John, cause some of your stuff is outstanding, but you used up most of the space on this one. Look, Garcia signed a two yr deal. If he has another decent year, the bucs offer him 5-7M for 1 year and an option. All smiles.
by John
Aug 8, 2008 5:22 PM
WOW...Allen down plays his failed attempt. He should be fired for letting Farve slip away!
by Sharon
Aug 8, 2008 2:29 PM
John, The answer to your question is and should always be any QB that makes the Bucs a better team......
by ronnie
Aug 8, 2008 2:29 PM
favre would not grasp the offense by september,and brett would start to force things and the int,s would go up.garcia is in year two of grudens complex offense,and being that both guys are 38.go with apro bowler with the expirience.garcia,peace.
by Brandon
Aug 8, 2008 11:18 AM
I think this was good for Garcia... he goes from whining about money to being thankful he has a job and that the Bucs will honor the contract he signed just last year.
by Matt
Aug 8, 2008 11:18 AM
How come it was a Catch-22 for the Bucs, but not for 29 other teams in the league? That wasn't an intelligent line there Gruden.
by John
Aug 8, 2008 11:18 AM
What quarterback is Gruden salivating over today?
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